Judy Finnigan's Comments

[Bazile]

This matter is getting rather nasty now


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793677/richard-madeley-calls-police-trolls-threaten-rape-wife-judy-finnigan-following-comments-earlier-week.html

[gness]

Sorry you feel that way, Whirly....my apologies...x

[kvalidir]

I think generally I know when I am being rude or offensive and I think most other people do too whirly, so I think a lot of the hair shirt wearing pseudo apologies you get on here aren't worth a light, but if I feel that I have genuinely upset someone accidentally then I'm happy to apologise and I think that's right:)

[andy-hughes]

Svejk - "I'd guesstimate I've seen you apologise half a dozen times in the last fortnight, andy. Not that it really matters much."

That is entirely possible - but previous to that, there were only a couple that I remember - both to my esteemed colleague AOG, we do have a tendency to push each others' buttons and have had to calm down with a pint of home-made sherry and a quick sorry from time to time.

[andy-hughes]

kvalidir - "... so I think a lot of the hair shirt wearing pseudo apologies you get on here aren't worth a light ..."

I sincerely hope you don't inlcude my apologies in that kvalidir?

[mrs.chappie]

Nothing personal Andy but I have to say I was surprised to read that you think you've apologised less than a dozen times in 14 years. That figure sounds rather low to me....not that it matters, of course.

[andy-hughes]

mrs.chappie - "Nothing personal Andy but I have to say I was surprised to read that you think you've apologised less than a dozen times in 14 years. That figure sounds rather low to me....not that it matters, of course."

I may be entirely wrong in my guesstimate - if anyone wants to check, feel free, and if i am wrong i will of course be delighted to apologise!!!!!

LOL!

[mrs.chappie]

Now there's a challenge. :o)

[Sipowicz]

Sorry seems to be the hardest word!

[kvalidir]

Andy- this is not all about you- but since you ask, some of your apologies I think are deeply genuine some simply lip service after you've said whatever you like. You're an intelligent man, you know for the most part that being rude will upset people yet you still choose to do it, yesterday imho you were bang out of order with me and a lot of other people. You didn't apologise to me, but that's fine I don't need you to, especially when I know you intended to offend.
The remark was more general, not a personal attack, but take it on board- or not- if you want to.

[mrs.chappie]

I'd like to have a go at counting it for Andy if I didn't have to crack on with some work now. Ain't it a *** when real life gets in the way. :o)

[mrs.chappie]

Ain't it a bu 88er when the swear filter won't let you say bu 88er. :o(

[andy-hughes]

kvalidir - "Andy- this is not all about you- but since you ask, some of your apologies I think are deeply genuine some simply lip service after you've said whatever you like."

You are incorrect in that assumption - all my apologies are made with equal sincerity.

"You're an intelligent man, you know for the most part that being rude will upset people yet you still choose to do it, yesterday imho you were bang out of order with me and a lot of other people."

I disagree that I am rude on purpose. You are free to interperet what I say as being rude, you are not entitled to asume that it is my intention - it is not.

"You didn't apologise to me, but that's fine I don't need you to, especially when I know you intended to offend."

I did not intend to offend - I never intend to offend, if I believe someone is offended, then i will apologise. If someone is giving as good as they get, then I will take it in the spirit of debate, and give back in kind.

"The remark was more general, not a personal attack, but take it on board- or not- if you want to."

No thanks - I have been on this site daily, barring illness and holidays - since it started, and I have never been personally censured, much less suspended - so I am content to continue to believe that most people know the intention behind any of my posts.

If you - and it seems you and a small minority - wish to take issue, then that is fine, but that does not entitle you to second-guess my intentions or my actions.

If you want to get into the ring, go right ahead,but if we disagree, then we disagree - I have no problem at all with that - you will never see me questioning if i am owed an apology - if I feel I am, I will ask for one.

Let's not clutter up this thread any more with our personal exchanges shall we?

[andy-hughes]

kvalidir - "yesterday imho you were bang out of order with me and a lot of other people. You didn't apologise to me, but that's fine I don't need you to, especially when I know you intended to offend."

May I refer you to my post of 17:05 yesterday on the Judy Finegan thread -

"My criticisms of your posts have been just that - criticisms of your posts, which is not at all the same as criticsms of you personally, which is how you appear to have received them and if that is the case, then please accept my apologies."

Thank you.

[kvalidir]

I have never been banned or suspended either andy- nor have most users I imagine, I'm not quite sure why you feel that is relevant.
You are sadly incorrect that I and others are not entitled to second guess someone's motives- we all do that every day, it's part of human intereatcion, the unsaid often speaks louder than that which is shouted- and 'methinks the lady doth protest too much' to be honest.
I think for whatever reason you find it very difficult not to have the last word, and not to be in control of the situation, and of course when people will not allow you to do so you try to force the issue.
//Let's not clutter up this thread any more with our personal exchanges shall we?//
This is a perfect example- you have decided that our exchange should cease on the pretext that it 'clutters up the thread'. You had no such misgivings yesterday when you were being rude to anyone who didn't agree with you, achieving a staggering 70 odd responses out of 350.
It doesn't matter how any of us conduct ourselves here really, none of us have control over what others think of us- I don't care about that- you appear to have a massive issue and will continue posting time and time after time until people get too weary of the repetition to continue.
To criticise someone's post that they have taken time and trouble to consider and post is no less a personal attack than if you said ''I think you are a moron'' because the meaning and the intent is exactly the same, you have criticised the person behind the remark. you seem not to grasp that.
I'm expecting a wordy reply to this from you, but I'll leave my contribution here and let you have the last word.

[Sqad]

Oh! Dear oh! Dear oh! Dear

I have to say that I have seen less confrontational posts and threads withdrawn and I am going to assume that this hasn't happened is because at least one of the combatants is a long standing MOD.

Cmon Ed and staff.....level playing fields.

[Bazile]

sqad - no no no ....

I cant have two of my threads widthdrawn within the space of two weeks

[Sqad]

Bazile.......i was referring to the Judy Finnigan thread, but it could have been any of the JF threads....."Judy Finnigan" "In support of Judy Finnigan" "Son of JF...."JF rides again" "Return of JF"....you name it.

Poor response from Uncle & AuntieEd in my opinion.

[Bazile]

Seriously though sqad - why should any of the JF threads be widthdrawn - has there been personal attacks against fellow aber's ( i have not read all the posts ) ?

There has certainly been a frank exchange of views - but isn't that to be expected in the news section ?

[gness]

Sqad....if the JF threads go....a newbie will join...who thinks we haven't discussed it at all.... and we'll all have to start at the beginning again....

Now...do you really want that to happen...?

Baz....I haven't looked again....I agreed with you on your bike thread...x

[Sqad]

Bazile......just my opinion......but the temperature rose and ended up in a personal attack by certain ABers.
Personal attacks are frowned upon by AB and posts and threads have been withdrawn on this basis.
You could argue that they were just a frank an fair exchange of views..............yeah! right.