Faith Education - Is It The Way To Go?

[bednobs]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-30422467

seems like loads of these top acheiving schoolsa re fatih based (?compared to how many faith based schools there are?)

is this the way we should be going for education?

[Millwallmike]

No, we need to keep the god squad out of our schools so they don't manipulate us normal folk. They should be allowed to build schools for themselves far away from the rest of us who live in the real world i say.

[ToraToraTora]

no, educational establishments are no place for mumbo jumbo regardless of flavour. Civilised countries should not be peddling this bile. We are never going to get remotely civilised until this scourge is history.

[jim360]

It's more likely that the good results of faith-based schools are due to a selection policy. Not sure if that's entirely true at primary school level, but it is true (or was when I was 11/12) for High schools.

[Retrochic]

I would go a step further and hope that one day faith based schools of whatever nomination are banned

[solvitquick]

No. Faith-based schools are a nonsense in what is really a secular society and promote nonsensical and dangerous propaganda.
They are as dangerous as male single-sex schools which promote a certain prediliction which is unrepresentative of society as a whole.
SIQ.

[Millwallmike]

Sometimes i think we whould just take all religious people, put the in a huge rocket and fire it into space and ask them "Where is your god no"

[jno]

jim, these figures bear you out

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/mar/05/faith-schools-admissions

[New Judge]

"I would go a step further and hope that one day faith based schools of whatever nomination are banned"

I would go a step farther than that. I would seek a society where the exhibition and practice of faiths of all descriptions are banned (except possibly in the privacy of one's own home). People who want to do the "collective worship" thing can have a few friends round and spout their jibberish in their own front room (with the curtains drawn). Religion is a scourge on the modern world. It was OK five hundred years ago but things have moved on.

[Zeuhl]

/I would seek a society where the exhibition and practice of faiths of all descriptions are banned /

NJ

That seems rather a harsh way to deal with people with a mental illness

:-)

[Old_Geezer]

Faith education is an abomination until the Lord, who wants us all to be secular and stop claiming things in his name.

[Old_Geezer]

Hmm ... do courts still want folk to swear on a bible (other holy books are available) that they will tell the truth ?

[Zeuhl]

^OG

We can choose to 'Affirm' instead

[solvitquick]

New Judge,
Agreed except for "it was O.K.500 years ago".
No it wasn't.
It was "de jure" or equivalent. Forced religious behaviour by the state, earls or barons on their subjects or serfs was not O.K.
Agnosticism or atheism is not a modern invention by any means!
SIQ.

[solvitquick]

O.K., if we are moving of the main subject, I'll follow.
Without having to face it, I have often wondered if swearing on the bible or affirming would be wisest.
I suspect that affirming, although honest, there would be a bias towards disbelief in one's testimony. To avoid perjury, everyone should simply affirm. That would remove problems of "which bible" and any convinced religious judge or jury-member.
More than time-up on modernising the legal process.
SIQ.

[Peter Pedant]

for chrissake everyone !

is it the way to go ? er hello - faith based education has been guaranteed by law since the 1944 Butler Education act

that is a big difference between us and the Land of the Free
( no faith stuff in skoolz by federal law )

unfortunately bedknobz misprint "fatih" has a meaning in Arabic - conqueror and I thought Oh God what are the islamic skoolz doing now ?

[bednobs]

lol im getting all your messages!

[Old_Geezer]

Sounds overdue for a repeal PP.

[askyourgran]

No Church/mosque/ Sunday school/madrassa etc is for religion not mainstream education. The Godsquad will not help you to work out how many square metres you need to carpet a room or teach you French verbs.

[bednobs]

but apparently they will - and do it well!

[sherrardk]

My youngest four go to a C of E primary school (just because it is the village school not because we are religious) but it's not very churchy - they do go to the church for various things and the vicar can be seen at various school things but she's not v churchy either. Catholic schools (especially secondary) were always viewed as v strict when I was teaching, might account for why they get better results.