Murders In Paris

[tonyav]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/paris-magazine-shooting-kills-11-people/ar-AA7S9CG

[vulcan42]

sandy, my point was that the terrorists see it as support.

[Retrochic]

naomi I really do enjoy your posts as they are both informed and well written (even if I don't always agree). Yesterday a French Muslim was interviewed on French TV and stated that although he was deeply offended by the Cartoons he did not condone the Terrorists actions. I could compare this with the IRA in the 1970's. Many agreed with the cause but the majority or Irish Catholics berated the manner in which the IRA publicized it.

[RATTER15]

Unless the fundamentalists start wearing tags to identify them, we can only swing wide with the tar brush!

If the other Muslims don't wish to be associated with them and this barbaric religion of so called "peace" then they should stand up against them.

[ChillDoubt]

sandyRoe
Silence doesn't mean support.
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No, but it doesn't mean condemnation either. For some it would appear that it doesn't matter how your fellow Muslim chooses to praise Allah, just as long as he does.

[anotheoldgit]

Peter Pedant

/// erm any evidence that the majority of muslims are terrorists ? AOG ///

Erm any evidence that the majority of Muslims are not terrorists? Peter

just wondered

[anotheoldgit]

DTCwordfan

/// So as to the IRA, all Roman Catholics are terrorists, AOG? Nice logic about Muslims..... ///

I have never said that the majority of Muslims or Roman Catholics are terrorists, only asking for proof that only a tiny minority of Muslims are terrorists, surely that is a perfectly reasonable request to make isn't it?

[anotheoldgit]

wolf63

/// Most terrorists are male, does that mean us ladies should tar all of you as potential terrorists? ///

Most brides of Muslim terrorist are women, does that mean that we should tar all of you as potential terrorist brides?

[DTCwordfan]

AOG - for your interest.

http://blog.chron.com/believeitornot/2010/12/debating-how-many-muslims-are-terrorists-percentage-wise-very-very-few/

Numbers vary depending on the source - worth googling though.

[anotheoldgit]

DTCwordfan

Thank you for that, but isn't that based on the number of terrorist attacks throughout the World, and not the number of terrorists?

Since we are discussing the number of Muslim terrorists and since there must be many that have not yet carried out any attacks, and a huge number that the security people know nothing about, how can anyone give an accurate figure to the number of terrorists or potential terrorists?

[retrocop]

It would appear another French police officer was shot today in South Paris.
Info from yahoo News. Not necessarily connected with yesterday's massacre.

[retrocop]

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Fatal shooting of a Policewoman

[Retrochic]

They are changing their mind about the connection now as the perpetrator was wearing a flak jacket and carrying a semi-automatic weapon.

[retrocop]

I thought it would be too much of a coincidence.

[ichkeria]

"Yesterday a French Muslim was interviewed on French TV and stated that although he was deeply offended by the Cartoons he did not condone the Terrorists actions. I could compare this with the IRA in the 1970's. Many agreed with the cause but the majority or Irish Catholics berated the manner in which the IRA publicized it. "

The IRA's cause was more accurately associated with Irish Republicanism, not Catholicism. It was always an important principle of the former that, however idealistically, it was not specific to one religion. Of course in practice Catholics identified with it more but that was for political reasons.
So when we come to compare the IRA campaign with acts by jihadists etc we are perhaps on firmer ground if we compare the distinction made (or not made) by others when reacting to it. For example the "tarring all Moslems with the same brush" attitude of counter-extremists nowadays, and the "let's go and kick a Catholic" response by Ulster loyalists of the time.
Discussion of the religious aspect, if there is one, is not necessarily the best way to approach this. Nor to be honest, is the "war on free speech" angle.
More appropriate newspaper headlines would be
"Same old intolerant *** happens yet again". But then that would be a lot duller

[ludwig]

// "Same old intolerant *** happens yet again". But then that would be a lot duller //

..and more economical with the truth. The missing bit being that religion is a key motivator behind Islamist terrorism - at least that's what the terrorists claim. They do shout 'god is great' and talk about the prophet alot, so it'd be strange to ignore that aspect of it.

No Irish terrorists (on either side) ever really talked about the christian faith as I recall.

[shoota]

A sad irony:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2901681/Hero-police-officer-executed-street-married-42-year-old-Muslim-assigned-patrol-Paris-neighbourhood-Charlie-Hebdo-offices-located.html

[Gromit]

I wonder if the dead police being a good muslim, means that Allah is angered by the attacks?

[ludwig]

//I wonder if the dead police being a good muslim, means that Allah is angered by the attacks? //

We'll probably never know. He doesn't say much.

[naomi24]

Irish terrorists are patriots. Radical Islamists are not. Their religion is their cause and their motivation.

[sandyRoe]

Does the reintroduction of the Caliphate not count as patriotism?