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There are many white actors (or come to that many other people who happen to follow other employment), that have to leave these shores so as to further their careers, so why should black actors be any different?
There are many white actors (or come to that many other people who happen to follow other employment), that have to leave these shores so as to further their careers, so why should black actors be any different?
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divebuddy
Interesting article on the point you raised:
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Interesting article on the point you raised:
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Which point sp, they are not good enough, they want the parts because they are black (irrespective of whether they can act or not) the world owes them a living? As you may gather by my response I have had personal dealings with this demand for special treatment twenty odd years ago and it is still going on, possibly because it was so successful.
Brenden - "Which point sp, they are not good enough, they want the parts because they are black (irrespective of whether they can act or not) the world owes them a living?"
SP is right - you are missing the point.
Mr Oyelowo is not suggesting that he, or any other non-white actor should be given a role simply on the basis of their skin colour.
His point is that black people should be considered on an equal basis (the emphasis is on 'equal') for parts where a white or black actor would be suitable for the role.
That is his point - it is nothing to do with wanting any kind of special treatment for being black - just equal treatment, and you surely would not argue with that?
SP is right - you are missing the point.
Mr Oyelowo is not suggesting that he, or any other non-white actor should be given a role simply on the basis of their skin colour.
His point is that black people should be considered on an equal basis (the emphasis is on 'equal') for parts where a white or black actor would be suitable for the role.
That is his point - it is nothing to do with wanting any kind of special treatment for being black - just equal treatment, and you surely would not argue with that?
Brenden - "I am arguing with that Andy, they have specialised people who cast for films and the media, it is not down to the actors. I have three family members in this area of employment."
That does not negate my point Brenden, or more specifically, Mr Oyelowo's point.
I am fully aware that casting is carried out by specialists, I fail to see what that has to do with the point raised - that Mr Oyelowo feels that when a casting is held for a role suitable for a black or a white actor, then the black actor is disadvantaged because casting agents prefer to pick a white actor.
That does not negate my point Brenden, or more specifically, Mr Oyelowo's point.
I am fully aware that casting is carried out by specialists, I fail to see what that has to do with the point raised - that Mr Oyelowo feels that when a casting is held for a role suitable for a black or a white actor, then the black actor is disadvantaged because casting agents prefer to pick a white actor.
andy-hughes
/// His point is that black people should be considered on an equal basis (the emphasis is on 'equal') for parts where a white or black actor would be suitable for the role. ///
/// That is his point - it is nothing to do with wanting any kind of special treatment for being black - just equal treatment, and you surely would not argue with that? ///
Being in a minority group ie this country is predominantly white, one cannot expect totally equal treatment in all matters.
As in this case of picking actors for a part that can be played equally by a black or white actor, if one has a larger percentage of white actors than black actors to choose from then the chances that a white actor is selected is greater due to their sheer numbers.
/// His point is that black people should be considered on an equal basis (the emphasis is on 'equal') for parts where a white or black actor would be suitable for the role. ///
/// That is his point - it is nothing to do with wanting any kind of special treatment for being black - just equal treatment, and you surely would not argue with that? ///
Being in a minority group ie this country is predominantly white, one cannot expect totally equal treatment in all matters.
As in this case of picking actors for a part that can be played equally by a black or white actor, if one has a larger percentage of white actors than black actors to choose from then the chances that a white actor is selected is greater due to their sheer numbers.
//Being in a minority group ie this country is predominantly white, one cannot expect totally equal treatment in all matters. //
It's nothing to do with quantity AOG, it's about treating people on an even footing. What you are postulating is that black people should be treated differently because there are less of them. Several people have already pointed this out to you in various ways. Why don't you understand?
It's nothing to do with quantity AOG, it's about treating people on an even footing. What you are postulating is that black people should be treated differently because there are less of them. Several people have already pointed this out to you in various ways. Why don't you understand?
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Has anyone, anyone at all got any facts on this?
This could be just Mr David Oyelowo's opinion.
David Oyelowo: Hire ethnically diverse film and TV bosses to stop black actors leaving the UK
Did he actually say that? Surely he should have said 'to stop ethnic minority actors leaving the UK?
Unless of course he has done some research?
I was actually shocked to read that black people only make up around 3% of the population.
This could be just Mr David Oyelowo's opinion.
David Oyelowo: Hire ethnically diverse film and TV bosses to stop black actors leaving the UK
Did he actually say that? Surely he should have said 'to stop ethnic minority actors leaving the UK?
Unless of course he has done some research?
I was actually shocked to read that black people only make up around 3% of the population.
Brenden - "Are we talking positive discrimination here Andy, seems like it to me ..."
Well then it is only to you Brenden, there is no mention of positive discrimination anywhere in the feature, or on this thread.
"Best man for the job every time in my book whatever the skin colour."
And that is exactly the point Mr Oyelowo, and me, are making, so we do agree entirely.
Well then it is only to you Brenden, there is no mention of positive discrimination anywhere in the feature, or on this thread.
"Best man for the job every time in my book whatever the skin colour."
And that is exactly the point Mr Oyelowo, and me, are making, so we do agree entirely.
aog
//The difference being, I asked "Couldn't possibly be" but it was you who answered my question with a definite answer "There's a very easy way to tell, apparently, AOG......if he's black, it'll be the chip". //
Come come now aog - you have on occasions before today espoused the view that Black people have a chip on their shoulder , when a subject like this or other , has been discussed on here .
You weren't really asking a question , but rather intimating , that that is the case .
//The difference being, I asked "Couldn't possibly be" but it was you who answered my question with a definite answer "There's a very easy way to tell, apparently, AOG......if he's black, it'll be the chip". //
Come come now aog - you have on occasions before today espoused the view that Black people have a chip on their shoulder , when a subject like this or other , has been discussed on here .
You weren't really asking a question , but rather intimating , that that is the case .
Brenden - politically another a Spike Lee (how many white actors does he cast) ...
That is not actually part of the argument.
Spike Lee casts black actors because the characters in his films are black people - ergo they need to be played by black people.
Mr Oyelowo fully accepts that there are roles where only a white or a black actor will be suitable, because of the context of the role in question.
His entire argument revolves around the fact that when a role where a black or white actor could be cast, it is the white actor who usually gets the role.
That is not actually part of the argument.
Spike Lee casts black actors because the characters in his films are black people - ergo they need to be played by black people.
Mr Oyelowo fully accepts that there are roles where only a white or a black actor will be suitable, because of the context of the role in question.
His entire argument revolves around the fact that when a role where a black or white actor could be cast, it is the white actor who usually gets the role.
Brenden
The Spike Lee analogy is, I'm afraid hideously off kilter.
Have you seen Inside Man? If you did, can you describe the racial background of Christopher Plummer, Jodie Foster and Clive Owen?
Or Do The Right Thing? Is Danny Aillo black? Or John Tuturro?
Or 25th Hour? What part of Africa does Ed Norton and Philip Seymour Hoffman hail from? And what about that famous Jamaican actor - Brian Cox?
Can I ask a serious question? Why does the Spike Lee question keep coming up - when he quite clearly casts non-black actors in leading roles?
Why did you focus on Spike Lee who does cast white actors, as opposed to say Woody Allen or Martin Scorcese who rarely if ever casts black actors in leading roles?
The Spike Lee analogy is, I'm afraid hideously off kilter.
Have you seen Inside Man? If you did, can you describe the racial background of Christopher Plummer, Jodie Foster and Clive Owen?
Or Do The Right Thing? Is Danny Aillo black? Or John Tuturro?
Or 25th Hour? What part of Africa does Ed Norton and Philip Seymour Hoffman hail from? And what about that famous Jamaican actor - Brian Cox?
Can I ask a serious question? Why does the Spike Lee question keep coming up - when he quite clearly casts non-black actors in leading roles?
Why did you focus on Spike Lee who does cast white actors, as opposed to say Woody Allen or Martin Scorcese who rarely if ever casts black actors in leading roles?
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