A Bravado Racist Chant Maybe, But A Real Act Of Racism?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/18/racist-chelsea-fans-push-black-man-paris-metro

Much has been said and reported about the Chelsea fans behaviour in France, mainly due to the Video obtained by the Guardian.

Well apart from the ridiculous chant from a football crowd, and many of us have become accustomed to these over the years, was it enough for calls for the perpetrators to answer to be banned and face the law?

As far as I could see from the video, the black man was walking along the platform, until he got to the open door of the carriage containing the football crowd.

Now what was said, perhaps we will never know, but instead of the black man trying to board the train was he actually trying to confront these football supporters in an aggressive way, and if he was isn't it obvious that they would try and push him away.

Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that), but in the true football crowd tradition was this just to get back at their opponent.

I am in no way condoning an act of racism if that is what it was, but before you condemn me look at the video again.

[Baldric]

//can most of you not put up a reasonable argument without the need to lie, insult or twist words//

Can you AOG?

[sp1814]

Peter Pedant is right about Spiral.

The whole show is almost worth watching for Audrey Fleurot's chin alone.

It's a work of genius, chin-wise.

[Peter Pedant]

// Is it true that some of these people have been named on 'Social Media' sites?//

The Times has named one as Joss *** or someone lately of Millfield Public School. His mother is now not answering phone calls ....

[ummmm]

Sandy, one of them have, a public schoolboy!!!

You're right, Peter, he was asking for it. How dare he try and board a train!!! Those poor football fans must be traumatized...

[sp1814]

AOG

Did you notice that dave50 refers to 'name calling' in the post that you have marked as 'Best Answer'?

Do you think that pushing a man off of a tube train is assault...what I mean is - do you think that this constitutes more than 'name calling'?

[Peter Pedant]

Yeah Audwy Fleurot should do a Sophie Grabol and start appearing on British television - think how many hearts she would break

Sorry we have travelled some way from Richelieu Druot .....

[-Talbot-]

Very rare for me because I do like to read every reply on a thread (if I take part in said thread) but I stopped reading AOG's posts a while ago.
I would even welcome mikey and his stop digging analogy.

[Bazile]

I think aog has thrown up the spade from inside the hole , because he has punctured the opening of an underground well and was in danger of falling therein :-)

[andy-hughes]

I think AOG has flounced off - for all his stating that he is finishing at his usual time.

He has found himself lacking in any support of his ludicrous bating question, but still defended it to the last, resorting to lashing out when feeling under attack (which is often in my experience).

I will stand toe to toe with anyone in debate, but to call me out for being rude, and then to crudely insult another AB'er who did nothing to deserve it is not the conduct of a gentleman, and I hope he will consider his actions, and apologise with appropriate humility when he re-joins us tomorrow.

[sp1814]

This thread needs to be saved for future reference.

Remarkable in so many ways.

[Peter Pedant]

// and he was a commuter going to work. I forget his name...something like Soulemaine...//

Soulemane X - he has rather wrecked the illusion by appearing anonymously. And so he shows that la belle France has its own problems with racism and it is not just a disgraceful Anglo-Saxon import, brought in by public school boys and other dreadful riff-raff.

I'm not sure - does some have to lodge a criminal complaint ( une plainte ) before the police ( flics, bande de broleurs ) leap into action ?

[Peter Pedant]

// To paraphrase something or other, //

no divebuddy the paraphrase I would use is

AOG you are an incorrigible crypto-Nazi and I have been drinking, and the difference between us is that tomorrow I will be sober and you will be posting more .....

LOL at my own joke - the original quotes are by his fave prime minister Winston Churchill arent they ?

[Just-Jude]

Chelsea fans have already said the train was packed and allowing this person on would have endangered passenger safety. I don't see anything racist about preventing a possible disaster.

[sp1814]

divebuddy

I have a feeling that AOG has damaged his credibility on this.

I suspect that any argument his raises on racism from now on, will be damaged, because some may look back on this thread and think, "Hmmm...I think his version of 'racism' is...different".

[ichkeria]

Letting the guy on the train would have endangered passenger safety.
Well that's an interesting take on it. I bet AOG is kicking himself for not thinking of that one.
The thugs on the tran did indeed look as though passenger safety was their first priority :-)

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT said,
sp1814 

/// Also, why did you write: /// 

"Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that)" 

Yes I admit I was being a little sarcastic there, obviously they did in fact chant that along with "Chelsea, Chelsea" but perhaps not at that position on the clip which the Guardian chose to place it"

Really? You wrote previously,

// Not really supposed. If you play the video you cand hear it. /// 

Well you must have better hearing than most of us, why else would the Guardian deem it necessary to add sub-titles?"

You were not being sarcastic, you were saying what you really thought. I do not believe for a second that you are playing the Devil's Advocate, you are trying to drag yourself out a pit of your own making. You have not had the supportive responses you had hoped for and you are desperately and pathetically backtracking.

Admit it, you got it wrong in a big way.

[FrogNog]

sp I'm not sure of the level of credibility he had on that score to begin with, but he's certainly sealed it now.
Outrageous.
How anyone can excuse or dismiss this disgusting behaviour is beyond me