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Much has been said and reported about the Chelsea fans behaviour in France, mainly due to the Video obtained by the Guardian.
Well apart from the ridiculous chant from a football crowd, and many of us have become accustomed to these over the years, was it enough for calls for the perpetrators to answer to be banned and face the law?
As far as I could see from the video, the black man was walking along the platform, until he got to the open door of the carriage containing the football crowd.
Now what was said, perhaps we will never know, but instead of the black man trying to board the train was he actually trying to confront these football supporters in an aggressive way, and if he was isn't it obvious that they would try and push him away.
Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that), but in the true football crowd tradition was this just to get back at their opponent.
I am in no way condoning an act of racism if that is what it was, but before you condemn me look at the video again.
Much has been said and reported about the Chelsea fans behaviour in France, mainly due to the Video obtained by the Guardian.
Well apart from the ridiculous chant from a football crowd, and many of us have become accustomed to these over the years, was it enough for calls for the perpetrators to answer to be banned and face the law?
As far as I could see from the video, the black man was walking along the platform, until he got to the open door of the carriage containing the football crowd.
Now what was said, perhaps we will never know, but instead of the black man trying to board the train was he actually trying to confront these football supporters in an aggressive way, and if he was isn't it obvious that they would try and push him away.
Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that), but in the true football crowd tradition was this just to get back at their opponent.
I am in no way condoning an act of racism if that is what it was, but before you condemn me look at the video again.
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If one of this gang had punched someone and put them in hospital would had there been as much uproar? No, I dont think their would. Name calling is now a more serious offence than any violent attack it seems.
15:07 Thu 19th Feb 2015
AOG - "andy-highes
/// It wouldn't be the first time Till!! ///
Once again completely uncalled for, call yourself a debater you just go along with the crowd so as to court friendship."
I don't, but if my light-hearted remark offended you, then I apologise.
"Am I not allowed an opinion of my own based on the flimsy evidence before me."
The fact that you are a regular and long-standing contributor to the AB would suggest that you are fully aware of your right to your opinion, which no-one has questioned at any time.
What you seem less willing to accept is the equal right of anyone else, myself included, to call you out for it.
" This would not stand up in any court in the land."
Maybe not, but we are not in court are we - your point is?
/// It wouldn't be the first time Till!! ///
Once again completely uncalled for, call yourself a debater you just go along with the crowd so as to court friendship."
I don't, but if my light-hearted remark offended you, then I apologise.
"Am I not allowed an opinion of my own based on the flimsy evidence before me."
The fact that you are a regular and long-standing contributor to the AB would suggest that you are fully aware of your right to your opinion, which no-one has questioned at any time.
What you seem less willing to accept is the equal right of anyone else, myself included, to call you out for it.
" This would not stand up in any court in the land."
Maybe not, but we are not in court are we - your point is?
RandyMarsh - "I am going to side with AOG,"
That is your right of course, you have increased his support by exactly one hundred per cent.
" the racist chant was not aimed at the black chap, it is a chant about John Terry."
Whaaaat???? Where on earth do you get that gem of supposition from? Do you seriously imagine that a French commuter is going to understand this finer point of racism, when no-one on here has even thought of it?
"The black chap was clearly being confrontational and should think himself lucky he did not get a clip round the ear."
He was clearly not being confrontational, and in case you need updating, this is 2015, we don't do 'clips round the ear' any more, it's called assault, and like racist chanting - for whatever left-field dream reason you want to excuse it, it's aggressive, offensive and illegal.
That is your right of course, you have increased his support by exactly one hundred per cent.
" the racist chant was not aimed at the black chap, it is a chant about John Terry."
Whaaaat???? Where on earth do you get that gem of supposition from? Do you seriously imagine that a French commuter is going to understand this finer point of racism, when no-one on here has even thought of it?
"The black chap was clearly being confrontational and should think himself lucky he did not get a clip round the ear."
He was clearly not being confrontational, and in case you need updating, this is 2015, we don't do 'clips round the ear' any more, it's called assault, and like racist chanting - for whatever left-field dream reason you want to excuse it, it's aggressive, offensive and illegal.
whiskeryron
/// It is very clear that the black person was trying to board the train & was prevented from doing so by yobbish English ///
Prove to me that he was trying to board the train, and not just standing up to his opponents, who are pushing him away from them, as happens in most confrontations?
Regards your remark "Yobbish English" that is also racist, because although they appear to support Chelsea there is no way of knowing that they are English, and if they are they don't represent all English.
Nice to see however that (Well said Ron) Andy-Hughes has gathered another friend.
/// It is very clear that the black person was trying to board the train & was prevented from doing so by yobbish English ///
Prove to me that he was trying to board the train, and not just standing up to his opponents, who are pushing him away from them, as happens in most confrontations?
Regards your remark "Yobbish English" that is also racist, because although they appear to support Chelsea there is no way of knowing that they are English, and if they are they don't represent all English.
Nice to see however that (Well said Ron) Andy-Hughes has gathered another friend.
sp1814
/// No...he was trying to board the train. He looked to be on his way to work judging by the way he was dressed (and this is confirmed in later reports). ///
"Looked to be", "judging by the way" nothing set in stone then?
What his dress has anything to do with matters? Do you really think that he would be dressed in a different way if he set out to have an argument with a group of football hooligans?
I have not suggested that he wasn't on his way to or even from work, and once again how can you possibly know he was in fact the trying to board the train so as to go to work etc? Perhaps he was standing earlier on the platform and was shouted at by the yobs, or that he himself perhaps said "you are a load of English racist yobs", who knows?
That is all I am asking.
/// No...he was trying to board the train. He looked to be on his way to work judging by the way he was dressed (and this is confirmed in later reports). ///
"Looked to be", "judging by the way" nothing set in stone then?
What his dress has anything to do with matters? Do you really think that he would be dressed in a different way if he set out to have an argument with a group of football hooligans?
I have not suggested that he wasn't on his way to or even from work, and once again how can you possibly know he was in fact the trying to board the train so as to go to work etc? Perhaps he was standing earlier on the platform and was shouted at by the yobs, or that he himself perhaps said "you are a load of English racist yobs", who knows?
That is all I am asking.
sp1814
/// Also, why did you write: ///
"Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that)"
Yes I admit I was being a little sarcastic there, obviously they did in fact chant that along with "Chelsea, Chelsea" but perhaps not at that position on the clip which the Guardian chose to place it.
But when has shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". ever been an offence?
But marrying that up with the unconfirmed remark that 'he was trying to board the train, but they wouldn't let him because he was black' then I agree that would not only be racist, but also illegal.
It's patently obvious what is being chanted.
Can't you hear it???
/// Also, why did you write: ///
"Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that)"
Yes I admit I was being a little sarcastic there, obviously they did in fact chant that along with "Chelsea, Chelsea" but perhaps not at that position on the clip which the Guardian chose to place it.
But when has shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". ever been an offence?
But marrying that up with the unconfirmed remark that 'he was trying to board the train, but they wouldn't let him because he was black' then I agree that would not only be racist, but also illegal.
It's patently obvious what is being chanted.
Can't you hear it???
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