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Capital Punishment
I'm against Capital Punishment in principle, but sometimes .........
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If you disagree with somthing in principle you cannot really make an exception because of something you really don't like. If capital punishment is out in your book then it is out. However odious a particular individual may seem your principle is lost is you make an exception.
I'm in a better position. I do not disagree with capital punishment in principle. I think it should be available for the gravest of crimes. The trouble with that stance is that my idea of the "gravest of crimes" and those of other people probably differs considerably.
I'm in a better position. I do not disagree with capital punishment in principle. I think it should be available for the gravest of crimes. The trouble with that stance is that my idea of the "gravest of crimes" and those of other people probably differs considerably.
and we havent hanged people for non-capital crimes since 1861
NJ - since you raised the subject
you must also accept that ere is no appetite to restore the death penalty in the UK - as we have hanged the wrong people in the past ( Timothy Evans at least ) hanged the accessory and not the perp ( Craig and Bentley ) and finally WOULD have hanged the so called Irish Terrorists who were er framed by the police and we now know didnt do it....( and so did they )
NJ - since you raised the subject
you must also accept that ere is no appetite to restore the death penalty in the UK - as we have hanged the wrong people in the past ( Timothy Evans at least ) hanged the accessory and not the perp ( Craig and Bentley ) and finally WOULD have hanged the so called Irish Terrorists who were er framed by the police and we now know didnt do it....( and so did they )
I will never agree to the Death Penalty either, as it simply doesn't work.
People like these need to be put away for a long time, because as soon as they are released, they are likely to reoffend, as we have seen with the artist formally known as Glitter.
But cases such as this are to be seen in our media every day of the week, so our prisons would soon be full of perverts.
So.....a difficult problem, for which we don't seem to have arrived at a adequate solution yet.
People like these need to be put away for a long time, because as soon as they are released, they are likely to reoffend, as we have seen with the artist formally known as Glitter.
But cases such as this are to be seen in our media every day of the week, so our prisons would soon be full of perverts.
So.....a difficult problem, for which we don't seem to have arrived at a adequate solution yet.
"..you must also accept that ere is no appetite to restore the death penalty in the UK"
Yes I do accept that, Peter. Of course the irrefutable argument against it is that some people may have been wrongly hanged. Although I consider the shortcomings of the criminal justice system to be a separate argument the two things of course must be taken together. I won't argue the point here but I'm not so sure that Derek Bentley suffered a miscarriage of justice.
Are you suggesting that the death penalty does not work as a deterrent, Mikey? If so I have some sympathy. But having said that prison does not seem to work as a deterrent either. One thing that can certainly be said for both the death penalty and (whole) life prison sentences is that both certainly work when considering the problems of reoffending.
Yes I do accept that, Peter. Of course the irrefutable argument against it is that some people may have been wrongly hanged. Although I consider the shortcomings of the criminal justice system to be a separate argument the two things of course must be taken together. I won't argue the point here but I'm not so sure that Derek Bentley suffered a miscarriage of justice.
Are you suggesting that the death penalty does not work as a deterrent, Mikey? If so I have some sympathy. But having said that prison does not seem to work as a deterrent either. One thing that can certainly be said for both the death penalty and (whole) life prison sentences is that both certainly work when considering the problems of reoffending.
It is amazing how many of these dangerous paedophiles are serving or ex-Policemen. The very people you would least imagine would be involved....
// 23 Oct 2014 - A paedophile former police officer has been found hanged just days after appearing in court to face fresh allegations of child abuse. //
// 18 Feb 2015 - A paedophile policeman who brainwashed a girl and then subjected her to horrendous sex attacks has had his jail sentence increased //
// Febuary 2011 Charlton: Former police man jailed for making indecent films of kids
A former police constable has been ijailed for one year after being found guilty of making and distributing indecent images of children. //
// 15 April 2014 A PAEDOPHILE former policeman was jailed for 11 years yesterday for abusing six children.
James Ainsworth, 62, attacked two boys and four girls, raping one of them, over 25 years.
He forced a six-year-old girl to perform a sex act on him in his police house, then told her: “No one will believe you. I’m a police officer and something bad will happen to your mum.” //
// 24 January 2011
Ex-policeman jailed for string of child sex offences
Lishman was arrested after attacking a 12-year-old girl
Daniel Lishman, of Northamptonshire, was convicted earlier of serious child sex offences. //
// 23 Oct 2014 - A paedophile former police officer has been found hanged just days after appearing in court to face fresh allegations of child abuse. //
// 18 Feb 2015 - A paedophile policeman who brainwashed a girl and then subjected her to horrendous sex attacks has had his jail sentence increased //
// Febuary 2011 Charlton: Former police man jailed for making indecent films of kids
A former police constable has been ijailed for one year after being found guilty of making and distributing indecent images of children. //
// 15 April 2014 A PAEDOPHILE former policeman was jailed for 11 years yesterday for abusing six children.
James Ainsworth, 62, attacked two boys and four girls, raping one of them, over 25 years.
He forced a six-year-old girl to perform a sex act on him in his police house, then told her: “No one will believe you. I’m a police officer and something bad will happen to your mum.” //
// 24 January 2011
Ex-policeman jailed for string of child sex offences
Lishman was arrested after attacking a 12-year-old girl
Daniel Lishman, of Northamptonshire, was convicted earlier of serious child sex offences. //
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In the USA it is estimated that at least 3,000 people have been executed for crimes they did not commit. These people were overwhelmingly poor and mainly black and could not afford to pay for a legal defence team. Thank God that in the UK we offer a free legal defence to all and have no death sentence!
NJ...all the evidence I have seen suggests that the death penalty does not act as a deterrent. It certainly hasn't in the USA, where many States execute people with gay abandon. Some States even execute people with a mental illness, which is completely inexcusable. If execution doesn't act as a deterrent, then it would appear to have no place in a civilised judicial system. But I suspect you agree !
Not quite sure what you are saying about Derek Bentley though. How could he possibly have killed the Police Officer, when he was already in the custody of another Policeman when the murder took place ? After all Bentley was granted a posthumous pardon in 1998.
There have been far too many miscarriages of justice where innocent people have been executed wrongly, one of the most famous being Timothy Evans, who was also granted a posthumous pardon.
Not quite sure what you are saying about Derek Bentley though. How could he possibly have killed the Police Officer, when he was already in the custody of another Policeman when the murder took place ? After all Bentley was granted a posthumous pardon in 1998.
There have been far too many miscarriages of justice where innocent people have been executed wrongly, one of the most famous being Timothy Evans, who was also granted a posthumous pardon.
It's not the death penalty that's the deterrent. Nor, really, is it any jail sentence. It would appear that many people believe that they can kill and get away with it - that the police forces will never catch them.
But 92% of killings get solved. That's the most recent figure I've seen. And with the advances in DNA and other forensic sciences, more and more killers are going to get caught. maybe our police should make far more of their success in this crime, at least.
And, for an example of a dreadful miscarriage of justice that would, in less enlightened times, have led to an execution, look no further than the case of Stefan Kiszko. Found guilty of the murder of an 11-year old, perjured by witnesses, defended lamentably badly by a man who would become Home Secretary, he would have been hanged without a doubt. And he could not possibly have done it.
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So no, I can't agree with a return to capital punishment. One wrong hanging offsets all the many that may have been justified.
But 92% of killings get solved. That's the most recent figure I've seen. And with the advances in DNA and other forensic sciences, more and more killers are going to get caught. maybe our police should make far more of their success in this crime, at least.
And, for an example of a dreadful miscarriage of justice that would, in less enlightened times, have led to an execution, look no further than the case of Stefan Kiszko. Found guilty of the murder of an 11-year old, perjured by witnesses, defended lamentably badly by a man who would become Home Secretary, he would have been hanged without a doubt. And he could not possibly have done it.
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So no, I can't agree with a return to capital punishment. One wrong hanging offsets all the many that may have been justified.
regrettably, SeaJayPea is absolutely right. Here's another innocent man who'd be dead
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C.P. I have my own views, regards Prison this is my issue, there must be an uninhabited Island out there somewhere where the serious offender should be sent, they should have no rights, no Luxuries, & their sentence should not be questioned or appealed against, you have seen & heard of the Thai Prisons where they sleep on the floor, they can protest as much as they like but the protest go unheard, how many times have you heard of prisoners saying, it's like a hotel? why should these people live with 3 meals, heating, a wage whilst there are Pensioners having to choose between heating or eating, if you call that punishment I'll show my A E In M&S.
