"so Called" Islamic State

[bednobs]

why on the news is ISIS always referred to as "so called"?

[Zacs-Master]

It's the 'state' bit they're referring to as they aren't. (A 'state').

[seadogg]

Not a recognised member of United nations. Just a mob of nutters really.

[Jackdaw33]

What is the difference between ISIS and ISIL?

[Zacs-Master]

'L'

[Jackdaw33]

Nice one Zacs, but I was looking for an explanation of the abbreviations.

[Peter Pedant]

not really a state

but you knew that, didnt you ?

There is always a context, declared or subconscious, when reporters use terms. Margt Thatcher objected to the way the IRA were treated by the Beeb and Ian Smith SR govt was always referred to as the Smith regime.

A state/country has to have a defined population, boundary and govt which functions as er a govt. and it has to be recognised by other countries. Recognition just means that X country thinks Y country is um a country and has nothing to do with whether the country is a good egg or not. [ In the WIlson era, there was always a lot of loose talk about withdrawing recognition from a country that wasnt liked. All it did was make life difficult for diplomats as there then wasnt anyone to talk to ]

sorry a bit of technical ( law ) answer but you did ask

[askyourgran]

L of difference

[Gromit]

They call themsrlves Islamic State, but they are not a state, they are illegal occupiers of Syria and Libya.

[Nibble]

ISIS = Islamic State in Iraq and Syria
ISIL = Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant ( "historical meaning of Levant -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant)

[Jackdaw33]

It's 50 years now, but i remember Smith and UDI. At the time Southern Rhodesia was the bread basket of Africa; since it became Zimbabwe it seems more like a basket case.

[Peter Pedant]

Hi jack
yeah there are some who like a walk down memory lane

SR was a case in point - it had the first three but recognition was withheld.

By the time Ian Smith went around the country ( or state ) and said. " Look we have lost " two thirds of the cattle had been machine gunned ....

[Nibble]

Unfortunately, a line in the sand has NO relevance in the real world (, i.e its a good place to hold all the, - (in my own words "the hairy beard nutters" from both sides of the "Middle East"), religionist sect. However, at least "at present" we know where "they" are".

[bednobs]

no peter, i didn't know that really, hence my asking.
My husband reckoned it was so that they weren't given creedence

[Zacs-Master]

Do we? Stand down MI6, all is well.

A slightly naive POV.

[Zacs-Master]

Bed nibs, your husband is correct. It's called propaganda.

[Peter Pedant]

Hi Beddie well Pointless takes countries as those recognised by the UN

but I really felt there was something more to it than that
( having had to suffer lectures at uni on the subject )

[Nibble]

After 3 years in that world...... (Desert Storm & Enduring Freedom).... pls I want the world all to walk away from ALL sides in that region. Also, I REALLY want to forget it all. Thx for your thoughts though.



I give the right to your views, through the blood, sweat & tears for my friends who were there my whole hearted support, and my wish for any sons & daughters to never be responsible for the outcome. My family has "held a line" from 1965 - 2000 for the Western world to the detriment of the region. Soldiers have never tried inpose a "solution" to the world with our values, that is an unfortuneate peramble to politics, but we must try to persuade the populace that " their - ISIS/ISIL" views of the truth are wrong is true.

[Zacs-Master]

Absolutely! (?)

[Nibble]

Its no problem, zacs - I just wish "we" hadn't wasted so much time on the problem, but unfortunately this is the weight of holding a line. Have a good night - when we both "hit our scratcher" ☺

[Zacs-Master]

Oh, yes! (??)