Oxford Union Invites Hate Preacher

[lindapalmara]

The day after Theresa May announcing that hate preachers be banned from schools and colleges, the Oxford Union invite Andjum Choudry to speak.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3008618/Oxford-Union-invites-hate-preacher-Choudary-speak-despite-bail-member-banned-terror-group.html

http://danilnews.com/news/oxford-union-invites-hate-preacher-anjem-choudary-to-speak-despite-being-on-bail-for-being-member-of-banned-terror-group

[andy-hughes]

danny - //Andy Hughes, when did this military invasion take place? //

Take your pick - any of the military campaigns carried out in Africa recently - of course, the 'reasons' flip over like lemons and cherries on a faulty fruit machine, but the deaths are still the same.

[sandyRoe]

Choudry might see this as an opportunity to lay out his stall. But in doing so he'll expose himself and his beliefs to close scrutiny. That can only be a good thing.

[Peter Pedant]

Oxford Union - I think Mr Choudry will be speaking mainly to pink Anglo christians

and if any of them troop out and get a flight to Turkey I will take my hat off to his powers of oratory

and yes I do support freedom of speech at the Universities if not anywhere else. Forty of so years ago they pulled the same coup with David Irving the Nazi apologist and caused 'the usual mayhem'

[andy-hughes]

Sure about your dates Peter -

[-Talbot-]

A friendly little chat over a nice cup of tea ... that's the answer. ;o)


Surely, A Cup O' Tea An' A Slice O' Cake, Naomi?

[Peter Pedant]

Irving - Oxford - 2007 - only ten years ago
I thought it was a stunt more of my generation

sozza

[ludwig]

The notion that you can reason with extremists is naive.

I'm not even convinced Choudary does hate western culture anyway. He strikes me more as a kind of troll, someone who enjoys the attention that saying inflammatory things affords him, and as we all know, there's no dialogue or reasoning to be had with a troll.

I don't think there's much to be done with him really, except monitor him in case he crosses the line into illegality, and then prosecute accordingly.
I wouldn't waste any time talking to him though, it's just giving him the attention he wants.

[bazwillrun]

"My perception is that people like Mr Choudry and his supporters hate Western culture with a depth and ferocity that is truly terrifying.

What I would welcome is an opportunity to hear why he feels this way, and an opportunity to try and reason with him, and maybe find a way forward.

It has to be worth taking the opportunity. "

Are you serious...I actually think you are

its precisely that sort of thinking and level of sheer naivety that let scum like him stay and live here and feed of us like the parasitic scumbag he is.

im checking to see if april 1 has been brought forwards !

[bazwillrun]

wheres the trigger happy armed police when you really need them......

[andy-hughes]

bazwillrun - //Are you serious...I actually think you are

its precisely that sort of thinking and level of sheer naivety that let scum like him stay and live here and feed of us like the parasitic scumbag he is. //

I am perfectly serious - and I don't believe it is naïve. How much more naïve is the invasion of Afghanistan, which remained unsubjugated after the Russion army tried the same tactics, and failed.

If you want to say that neogitation is naiive, then that excuses you from ever attempting it.

Remember Margaret Thatcher and her endless pronouncement that she would not 'negotiate with terrorists' in Northern Ireland?

Then check recent history, and the fact that neogitations were what ended the terrible loss of life in Northern Ireland.

The principle remains the same, after the war war comes the jaw jaw.

You may like to think you hold the moral high ground by calling me naiive, but politicians who know better than both of us have solved issues by discussion - I merely suggest that it is worth a try on a 'nothing to lose' basis.

[bazwillrun]

We are talking about a specific person and what he gets away with in the country he hates so much.

I really couldnt give a monkeys now as to the why and whats of his mushed brains thinking, let others do that,you wont change scum like this, so he needs to be eradicated one way or another, it really is that simple but its people like you who fog it all up and want to chat over a cup of tea about it.

meanwhile he carrys on laughing at us 24/7

i just want filth like him out of this country one way or another...

[andy-hughes]

bazwillrun - // you wont change scum like this, so he needs to be eradicated one way or another, it really is that simple but its people like you who fog it all up and want to chat over a cup of tea about it. //

OK - let's look at our respective positions shall we?

You advocate 'eradication', which I would suggest is pointless, because one is simply replaced by another. IS is a hydra, cut off one head, and two more grow in its place.

My solution is to attempt (and of course it's not simple or easy, but that is not a reason not to try) to find out the differences between us, and see if they can be resolved.

Your solution has been tried, with military force, and catastrophic loss of money and lives, and singularly failed. It is said to be a definition of insanity to persist with the same circumstances and expect a different outcome.

My solution has been proven to work in Northern Ireland, which was seen as unsolvable situation for generations - so it has to be worth a try, because I cannot see any other feasible alternatives.

[New Judge]

"Then check recent history, and the fact that neogitations were what ended the terrible loss of life in Northern Ireland."

Yes and look what the "negotiations" led to, Andy. Murderers and terrorists now sitting in government in Northern Ireland. If it's all the same I'd prefer not to conduct negotions wher that is the price to be paid for "peace" (which is still not evident in NI by the way).

The UK has absolutely nothing to negotiate with Mr Choudary and his mates. They do not represent any sizeable number of people here; their views and practices are totally abhorrent to the vast majority of people here (including most Muslims); they are simply not wanted here. The only negotiations that should be taking place are with countries who may be better equipped to accommodate his views with the aim of getting him shipped out to one of them asap.

[naomi24]

//My solution has been proven to work in Northern Ireland//

Anyone who compares the situation in Northern Ireland to what we now face with Islamic extremists – Choudary included - understands neither. There is no comparison.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // Anyone who compares the situation in Northern Ireland to what we now face with Islamic extremists – Choudary included - understands neither. There is no comparison. //

The comparison is not the situations, it's the potential for a solution.

[andy-hughes]

New Judge - // Murderers and terrorists now sitting in government in Northern Ireland. //

Which is the same system of government we prop up with the puppet regime in Afghanistan.

But the situation is different - NI is part of the UK, whereas with Islamic extremism, we need to find a way to coexist on our separate sides of the planet.

[Zacs-Master]

AH....
They have no intention of co-existing with anyone tho.

[naomi24]

With Islamic extremism there is no potential for a solution in dialogue. We need to acknowledge that and get used to it. It simply isn't an option. Islam means 'submission'. That speaks for itself.