What Is Wrong With Promoting British Values?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-32120583
Why are the unions/left so anti British?

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// British values is not something that can be taught in school anyway. It should be something that is everywhere in this country and should be assimilated naturally. ///

And it can't be assimilated naturally, then like everything else it must be taught, hence the whole point of this thread.

[jno]

just like those Nazi teachers our children are being brainwashed by them

right, so the British government should prescribe what values children must be taught. So very different from the 1930s.

[Peter Pedant]

// British values is not something that can be taught in school anyway. //

nor on the playing fields of Eton ( Wellington 1815 )


British values are...
British values are
British values are , for chrissakes
( The verb agrees with the subject of the sentence in number )

Not something you learnt at skool fifty years ago either it seems

( schools they dont do much, do they ?)

[ummmm]

I also don't really know what British values are.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// I also don't really know what British values are. ///

Just compare this country with most other countries of the World then and only then you may begin to realise what British values are.

[jim360]

So far only one person has really stood up for what British values are. Only really they are Western values, and the "freedom of thought" one by implication means that teaching them to children must at most recognise that they are up for debate!

Any more offerings?

The problem is that there must be an implication that not teaching British values means teaching non-British ones instead; I don't think this really follows, any more than just because the government introduces legislation on the thing doesn't mean it wasn't already largely happening anyway. At school (a relatively recent memory for me compared with most on this site, I expect) we were taught about respect and citizenship and democracy and quite a few other things that actually do come under what are probably "British" values. The difference was they weren't sold as particular to Britain, which is also, coincidentally, true.

[ummmm]

Like what countries, AOG?

[jim360]

Possibly all the ones in Africa we used to own for starters, ummm.

[ummmm]

Then surely British values are taught at home. Like equal rights for women!

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// Then surely British values are taught at home. Like equal rights for
women! ///

Try telling that to some of our adopted citizens, yes I agree perhaps that is one item at least that could be taught, not only to their children but perhaps the Government should fund evening classes so as to teach their parents also.

[jim360]

Gosh, AOG advocating public spending increases! Whatever next?

[ummmm]

Do you not think that some people come here, see a different way of life, and adjust their views?

[Fusion5]

Well ummm, we must have some, that's why they are queuing at Calais to get here. Oh no, my mistake that's bebefits, free medical care and housing they want. lol lol

[ummmm]

Or maybe they want a job and they know that British values means the British are not so judgemental and will give them a chance. Just a thought...lol lol!

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// Or maybe they want a job and they know that British values means the British are not so judgemental and will give them a chance. Just a thought...lol lol! ///

Yes and we all know that there are plenty jobs that our benefit rich will not do.

lol lol!

[ummmm]

I asked OH what are British values (he's just back from work)

Stiff upper lip.
Queuing.
Children should be seen and not heard.
An Englishman's home is his castle.
Class system.

(we're Irish)

[Peter Pedant]

// As a child of immigrant parents who happens ( snip ), I have no idea what British values are //

Oh I do - my parents values ( british raj and Boer ) are completely unsuitable for 2015. That was priddy obvious fifty years ago.


I watch a lot of progz where the likes of Anthony Blunt and George Blake or Kim Philby ( spies, what ) say things like " and I realised that the values espoused by the free dom seeking Russians under Stalin were much better than I was taught " and go 'yikes have you never heard of the gulags or forced collectivisation? '

[Retrochic]

British 'values' a joke. The British as a Nation have pillaged, killed and stripped of their natural resources, and tried to convert to Christianity almost every Nation in the World.
Snobbery, class system and jealousy at anyone doing better than their fellow man. No Thanks.

[douglas9401]

He missed 'playing with a straight bat', ummmm.
Don't know how that works for shinty and hurling. :-)

[ummmm]

My uncle used to play for Tipp....Up tipp :-)