Lord Jenner: Prosecution 'not In The Public Interest'.

[sandyRoe]

Why not?
If he's considered unfit to stand trial why don't they say so?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2779973/Report-reveals-extent-allegations-against-ex-MP-Greville-Janner.html

[fiction-factory]

I was going to post this to get mikey's view but I was waiting for the official announcement which is due today.
If it doesn't go ahead it will lend more weight to the establishment cover up theories.

[bob561941]

He's a member of the establishment they literally get away with murder.

[mikey4444]

sandy....as far as I know the CPS have yet to tell us exactly why Janner will not stand trial. But if he is unable to defend himself in a prosecution, due to ill health, than perhaps they are right in not proceeding, even though there is masses of evidence against him.

Sticks in my craw to say so, but I guess its inevitable. Perhaps he should have been prosecuted years ago, when all this evidence first came to light, and before he got ill ?

[ummmm]

How can someone with severe dementia stand trial?

[sandyRoe]

I agree, there'll probably be a fuller explanation later in the day.
Here in NI, 'not in the public interest', was until recently a phrase used to explain why the actions of state functionaries wouldn't be publicly examined.

[Jomlett]

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) will later announce whether Labour peer Lord Janner will be charged with child sexual abuse offences.
The Times is reporting the prosecution will not go ahead because the CPS has decided it would not be in the public interest.
The peer, a Labour MP for Leicester for 27 years, is 86 and is said to be in ill health.
The CPS refused to confirm The Times' report.

[fiction-factory]

I agree ummmm, but I'm beginning to wonder whether the approach on these high profile cases is to delay everything until such time as the person dies or is unfit for trial

[Broseph]

Can they provide the names and addresses of the "Public" they talked to who said they weren't interested?

I'm part of the public and I would be interested as I suspect many others would be.

"How can someone with severe dementia stand trial?"

Of course they can and they should be held accountable whatever illnesses they have.

Look at the nazi trials.

[ummmm]

No, they can't. My nan has dementia and she doesn't even know her name!

[mikey4444]

Broseph ( welcome by the way...not seen you on here before ! )

What Nazi trials ? The infamous trials during the 30's or the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials ?

[Broseph]

Okay umm but you know her and know her conditions real. I find through experience that whenever someone is arrested for crimes they had thought they had gotten away with it for many years that they suddenly develop illnesses or play on previous ones so that they can't stand trial.

On a personal note I don't give a damn. If someone had abused me or any other kid then they should stand trial. The victims go through a trial every day of their lives.

[Broseph]

mikey4444 trials in recent years where they've caught up with those evil s.o.b's.

[mikey4444]

FF has hit the nail on the head here. Janner has been strongly suspected on these charges for many years. The "establishment" clearly obfuscated previous attempts to put him on trial, when his health wasn't an issue.

Its clear what has happened here, because its similar to the Cyril Smith case.
The main reason that these old men have got away with their crimes is because they know where the bodies are buried. Indeed, it now appears that it might literally be true, as there is growing evidence that boys ere abused and the murdered ! If one of these chaps were to be prosecuted, than more names would come out and the foundations of the "establishment" would begin to crumble.

This is one of the reasons why Janner is in the news today, because he was implicated during the trial of 1991 trial of Frank Beck, a local care-home warden.

But Ummmm is correct....a person with dementia would hardly make a credible witness. The CPS's crime here is dragging their feet years ago.

[mikey4444]

Broseph...I am grateful of that clarification, and you certainly have a point there. Not sure if its quite the same as the Janner situation though, much that I would like it to be.

[Broseph]

The abuser may have "Forgotten" their heinous crimes but the victims and their family will go through generations of pain.

If the law allows this then it needs to be changed.

[sandyRoe]

The least the CPS could do now for the victims is lay out the evidence and state that if Jenner had been fit enough to stand trial they would have acted against him.
It wouldn't be justice for the people he abused but would be better than nothing.

[Broseph]

sandyRoe,I know it smacks of "Revenge" but it's all cause,effect and consequences. People have to realise that if you do something bad then we're going to get you and if you have an illness or whatever then that doesn't make you exempt from the law.

[mikey4444]

Sandy....good point at 09:20.

[naomi24]

If he is genuinely suffering from dementia and is unable to stand trial I see no reason for this to be ignored. An investigation should be held and the results published.

[douglas9401]

You're up against the system.
He's part of the system.
The system always wins in the end.