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ummmm - //Andy...your wife is a Catholic, without getting too personal did she never use contraception? That's the only thing I remember that was supposedly frowned upon. //
She never needed to - her first husband did, and I did, and after our youngest was born, she had a hysterectomy, so no need after that – yippee!
She never needed to - her first husband did, and I did, and after our youngest was born, she had a hysterectomy, so no need after that – yippee!
// Ludwig - as I opined earlier, I think we have to take cultural attitudes into account here. //
I believe religion is at the root of those cultural attitudes. I'd agree it is a bit chicken and egg though. Religion is both symptomatic of human stupidity as well as being a cause of stupid behaviour.
At any rate the right thing for the lifeguards to do would have been to kick the idiot to one side and get on with their job.
I believe religion is at the root of those cultural attitudes. I'd agree it is a bit chicken and egg though. Religion is both symptomatic of human stupidity as well as being a cause of stupid behaviour.
At any rate the right thing for the lifeguards to do would have been to kick the idiot to one side and get on with their job.
“However, there was one obstacle which prevented them from reaching the girl and helping her. This obstacle was the belief of this Asian man who considered that if these men touched his daughter, then this would dishonour her. It cost him the life of his daughter.”
What nonsense. Someone is going to tell me one burly lifeguard couldn't have kept him busy while the others saved the drowning girl ? Unless, of course, there would have be a dishonour killing of the poor girl after had they done so. Even then she could have been offered sanctuary somewhere.
What nonsense. Someone is going to tell me one burly lifeguard couldn't have kept him busy while the others saved the drowning girl ? Unless, of course, there would have be a dishonour killing of the poor girl after had they done so. Even then she could have been offered sanctuary somewhere.
Old-Geezer - unbelievable though it seems to Westerners, the notion that a couple of lifeguards would defer to a father's wishes, even at the cost of his daughter's life is probably a very real one for the devout Muslims who were involved at the time.
It is the only explanation I can think of that would mean that the lifeguards would stand aside and allow this poor woman to drown.
It is the only explanation I can think of that would mean that the lifeguards would stand aside and allow this poor woman to drown.
Andy....spoke with OH last night about this. We both attended the same Catholic school and neither of us remember any religious hard sell.
Our religious lessons were split into two. Marks gospel and ethics. Ethics we discussed topics like homosexuality and abortion. Never once was I lead to believe that either one was wrong (luckily my parents and grand parents were also of the same mindset)
Currently my sons RS teacher is an atheist teaching in a Catholic school. He knows his Bible, he knows his Koran. My RS lessons were taken by a Deacon.
Our religious lessons were split into two. Marks gospel and ethics. Ethics we discussed topics like homosexuality and abortion. Never once was I lead to believe that either one was wrong (luckily my parents and grand parents were also of the same mindset)
Currently my sons RS teacher is an atheist teaching in a Catholic school. He knows his Bible, he knows his Koran. My RS lessons were taken by a Deacon.
Old_Geezer - //You think their religion made them unfit for the job they were employed to do then ? //
That's not actually what I said.
I think this was an unforeseen situation, and because of the speed of events, there was not time to go into the rights and wrongs of simple human survival versus religious observance.
Possibly as a result, the vetting procedures may include checking if lifeguards are going to put safety before faith.
That's not actually what I said.
I think this was an unforeseen situation, and because of the speed of events, there was not time to go into the rights and wrongs of simple human survival versus religious observance.
Possibly as a result, the vetting procedures may include checking if lifeguards are going to put safety before faith.
andy-hughes
/// Mind you, in the judging of pomposity, it always helps to have someone with person experience on hand! ///
You are better than this Andy.
That was a ridiculous statement to make.
Are you saying that the best Judges are those who have a personal experience in the multitude of sins that they are called to judge on?
/// Mind you, in the judging of pomposity, it always helps to have someone with person experience on hand! ///
You are better than this Andy.
That was a ridiculous statement to make.
Are you saying that the best Judges are those who have a personal experience in the multitude of sins that they are called to judge on?
AOG - //andy-hughes
/// Mind you, in the judging of pomposity, it always helps to have someone with person experience on hand! ///
You are better than this Andy.
That was a ridiculous statement to make.
Are you saying that the best Judges are those who have a personal experience in the multitude of sins that they are called to judge on? //
A poor attempt at levity, which has got lost in translation - apologies.
/// Mind you, in the judging of pomposity, it always helps to have someone with person experience on hand! ///
You are better than this Andy.
That was a ridiculous statement to make.
Are you saying that the best Judges are those who have a personal experience in the multitude of sins that they are called to judge on? //
A poor attempt at levity, which has got lost in translation - apologies.
andy-hughes
Apology accepted.
/// I'd guess you are not a Catholic Peter - everything is forbidden, unless it's compulsory!!! ///
I bet you and Mrs Hughes have some very interesting discussions on religion Andy?
Regarding to your comments on Catholicism, you have mentioned numerous times that the 'present Mrs Hughes' is a devout Catholic and sometimes you will also go along to Church with her.
This is on par to the unlikelihood of myself being married to a Muslim and going along to the Mosque with her, if that was allowed.
It would never happen.
Apology accepted.
/// I'd guess you are not a Catholic Peter - everything is forbidden, unless it's compulsory!!! ///
I bet you and Mrs Hughes have some very interesting discussions on religion Andy?
Regarding to your comments on Catholicism, you have mentioned numerous times that the 'present Mrs Hughes' is a devout Catholic and sometimes you will also go along to Church with her.
This is on par to the unlikelihood of myself being married to a Muslim and going along to the Mosque with her, if that was allowed.
It would never happen.
AOG - // bet you and Mrs Hughes have some very interesting discussions on religion Andy? //
Actually, we don't. It's an understanding that she believes in God, and I don't, so there really is not much else to say.
I did watch he go through a terrible time (too long to go into here) when she dealt with a very serious discipline case with one of her staff when she was a Head Teacher. To cut a long story short, they Church closed ranks around a teacher who was physically abusing children, and my wife had to retire from ill health because of the stress of it all, which leaves her with ME for the rest of her life.
She did lose her faith for a time, but has since reconciled herself with her local parish, and enjoys the social side of the church - as do I.
//Regarding to your comments on Catholicism, you have mentioned numerous times that the 'present Mrs Hughes' is a devout Catholic and sometimes you will also go along to Church with her. //
Indeed - we go to Mass as regularly as we can - I enjoy the social side of things, but have no interest or belief in the concept of a belief in God.
"This is on par to the unlikelihood of myself being married to a Muslim and going along to the Mosque with her, if that was allowed.
It would never happen. ?/
Fair enough.
I like to be supportive of my family in their pleasurable activities, and I regard Mass as one of those. I think you can partake in a service without believing in it - as we witness most Sundays when non-believers attend Christenings for their friends' children - they have absolutely no idea of the format and rituals, so they look very confused as they are standing, sitting, kneeling, praying, and trying to follow the Mass sheet they are given.
Actually, we don't. It's an understanding that she believes in God, and I don't, so there really is not much else to say.
I did watch he go through a terrible time (too long to go into here) when she dealt with a very serious discipline case with one of her staff when she was a Head Teacher. To cut a long story short, they Church closed ranks around a teacher who was physically abusing children, and my wife had to retire from ill health because of the stress of it all, which leaves her with ME for the rest of her life.
She did lose her faith for a time, but has since reconciled herself with her local parish, and enjoys the social side of the church - as do I.
//Regarding to your comments on Catholicism, you have mentioned numerous times that the 'present Mrs Hughes' is a devout Catholic and sometimes you will also go along to Church with her. //
Indeed - we go to Mass as regularly as we can - I enjoy the social side of things, but have no interest or belief in the concept of a belief in God.
"This is on par to the unlikelihood of myself being married to a Muslim and going along to the Mosque with her, if that was allowed.
It would never happen. ?/
Fair enough.
I like to be supportive of my family in their pleasurable activities, and I regard Mass as one of those. I think you can partake in a service without believing in it - as we witness most Sundays when non-believers attend Christenings for their friends' children - they have absolutely no idea of the format and rituals, so they look very confused as they are standing, sitting, kneeling, praying, and trying to follow the Mass sheet they are given.
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