Immigrants

[whiskeryron]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/pm-bows-to-growing-pressure-indicates-uk-will-accept-more-refugees/ar-AAdUxG4?ocid=spartandhp

[ichkeria]

(why would immigrants want to be plonked in the desert)
"Why not?. The Arabs can get Vacation resorts built in the sea. They can provide refugee accommodation in the desert.
The British and Americans built Camp Bastion and Helmund in desert areas. Apart from incoming rounds they looked well appointed and cosy. "

Yes but they aren't there now are they lol How long would you want to spend in a refugee camp, in the desert or anywhere else, for that matter?

[B00]

"How long would you want to spend in a refugee camp"

I wouldn't, but then again im not fleeing a war torn country. Surely anywhere that's willing to take you has to be a better alternative?

[naomi24]

ichkeria, // How long would you want to spend in a refugee camp, in the desert or anywhere else, for that matter? //

So in order for them to get what they want it is acceptable for them to intrude upon other societies and create mayhem for other people?

[youngmafbog]

Naomi, I suspect the answer is "Yes - as long as it is not in ichkeria's back yard or out of ichkeria,'s wallet.

[naomi24]

youngmafbog , as a Muslim ichkeria may be somewhat biased.

[naomi24]

^Me too.

[pusskin]

Me too... very fearful.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I've read your poem, Maggie. This elegy for the dead infant seems to assert the following:

If "we" had prevented the conflict in Syria the baby would not be dead.
That apart, if the West had more compassion the baby would not be dead.
These deaths will continue to occur until Europe offers a home to everyone who wants to come and live in it.

Well, I agree with you completely on the third proposition, although, unlike you I imagine, I would find this "solution" abhorrent (no compassion, you see!). But, as for the first two, I can't see how we could have stopped what is happening in Syria, nor can I understand the "for want of a helping hand" point. What hand? And where? No northern European, as far as I know, was party to the transaction which commissioned a "boat without a sail" to travel fro Turkey to Cos. Weren't the agents involved traffickers on the one hand and Syrian parents on the other?

[sandyRoe]

Has any politician suggested that these people could all be concentrated in camps until there's peace in their homelands and they could all go home?

[NellieMay]

I am disappointed that dc has given in to pressure, but at least he is proposing to take in direct from the UN camps and not from those already fleeing across Europe. I have a very sympathy with genuine refugees, but there are a fair few economic migrants amongst those who are genuine. I feel like Boo does, reading her various comments. As an aside, and as a parent, if I were in a safe country like Turkey I would not risk my child's life by putting them a crowd dingy to reach Greece. I would only do this if I was actually in fear of their lives.

[chaptazbru2]

Not a fan of Cameron, but he had no choice here with all the do-gooders going on and on. God help us, how many more people can we take on ???

[Ric.ror]

I wonder if this has increase support for UKIP?

[ladybirder]

I agree NellieMay. I too am disappointed with Cameron's decision. However, taking people from the camps is the right thing to do and perhaps by doing so will discourage those who think they can call the shots as is happening in Hungary at present.
You are spot on about not risking your child's life once in a safe country.

[ichkeria]

"I wonder if this has increase support for UKIP? "

This may not have helped their cause

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3221258/Outrage-Ukip-candidate-says-tragic-Syrian-toddler-Aylan-died-parents-greedy-good-life.html

Nigel will need to get the big stick out again I fear :-)

[ichkeria]

How long would you want to spend in a refugee camp"

I wouldn't, but then again im not fleeing a war torn country. Surely anywhere that's willing to take you has to be a better alternative?

Yes indeed, but after a while, you know, maybe you might want to move on.
The point is, many of these people have been refugees for years. And like I said before, I daresay you might get fed up after a while, so it's hard therefore to criticise others for behaving ... naturally
Still, at least they aren't taking all your bags -)

[NellieMay]

Ladybirder. Thank you. Calling the shots is an excellent phrase for what I see of the immigrants in Calais and Hungary on the newsfeeds. And I have to ask why they refuse to go and be registered in Hungary. This is the correct procedure for refugees?

[NellieMay]

I am very close to a family who spent years in a refugee camp. Not wonderful, but safe. They eventually were processed and left the camp to start a new life in a new country. There were no great expectations, but they have done well. I cannot comprehend the aggressiveness we are seeing.

[ichkeria]

The only reason they are in Hungary is because they are in transit : they don't want to stay there, plainly the Hungarian government does not want them either. On the other hand the German government DOES want them. Being out on a train and lied to Thst tiu are being sent to safety and then bring dragged off to a filthy 'holding camp' is hardly 'calling the shots'
They are rather the victims of a prime minister trying to appear tough to hold off his own neo nazi Jobbik opposition party.