At Last Someone In The Media, Dares To Tell It As It Really Is.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3223828/PETER-HITCHENS-won-t-save-refugees-destroying-country.html

/// Actually we can’t do what we like with this country. We inherited it from our parents and grandparents and we have a duty to hand it on to our children and grandchildren, preferably improved and certainly undamaged. ///

/// Every one of the posturing notables simpering ‘refugees welcome’ should be asked if he or she will take a refugee family into his or her home for an indefinite period, and pay for their food, medical treatment and education. ///

/// If so, they mean it. If not, they are merely demanding that others pay and make room so that they can experience a self-righteous glow. No doubt the same people are also sentimental enthusiasts for the ‘living wage’, and ‘social housing’, when in fact open borders are steadily pushing wages down and housing costs
up. ///

[sp1814]

divebuddy

"After all, they are in absolutely no danger at all in this country."

Where did you read that homophobic physical attacks had ended, and that gay teens are no longer thrown out on the street by their parents?

Because between you and I, I didn't see that particular memo.

[retrocop]

I would guess that some straight teens would be disowned by their family if they were found guilty of being a serial rapist.
However if a Jamaican can suddenly recall he is homosexual and avoid extradition back to Jamaica then I would suggest that homosexuals are safes as houses here in the UK but in peril elsewhere.Course he could of been fibbing??
Now very high houses in Syria/Iraq may not be quite so safe for homosexuals but until Shariah law takes over the law of this country I cannot foresee any impromptu lessons in trying to defy the laws of gravity here yet.

[retrocop]

Oh sorry. I forgot.You do not bother with my posts. Well at least I made my point for others to read.

[baza]

Well, I agree with Hitchens.

[ummmm]

Many devout Catholics would reject a homosexual child. You have to remember, DB, that the majority of gay people can't be identified just by looking at them. Unlike goths...

I have quite a few gay friends and family. The males don't mince and the women are not butch with crew cuts and tattoos...

[ummmm]

"Surely even you would agree that "Goths" are more at risk from being mindlessly attacked than gays/trannies/lesbians these days."

"As for parents rejecting gay children; Well, I wouldn't reject one of my children if they turned out to be gay"

I was responding to what you said...

[Svejk]

You are a master of pedantry, sp. If you say that no homosexual 'groups' are wholly funded by the government, I'll just take your word for it because I can't be bothered to plough through their accounts.
It doesn't detract from the point I made. You said you had to pay taxes to keep other peoples kids. AOG countered that he had to pay tax for things he didn't benefit from, like gay 'groups'. Whereupon he was ridiculed by people who seemed to think he made it up. He didn't.

[sp1814]

Svejk

I cannot speak for others. I was answering AOG accurately.

[Hypognosis]

@sp1814
//
"So why should any of our "austerity" pounds be spent particularly on their behalf."

Because that group of people pay taxes, and therefore are entitled to see a return on those taxes like any other group.
//

I have a slight quibble with this: by "see a return on", you make it seem like you expect every pound taxed off you to be spent back on you.

I would hazard a guess that high-90s% of your taxes is divvied up and spent like everybody else's: infrastructure, education, NHS, defence etc. The tiny remainder goes into your support group.

AOG would probably reckon that, if you and fellow members chipped in that exact amount in cash, with no help from wider society, you would't be able to pay the salaries of the staff.

Society pays a net funding contribution to run the support service but that is its own fault for harbouring thugs.

AOG should be having a go at the gay-bashers, not advocacy groups.

[Hypognosis]

Me //Some people do, however, pay extra tax, voluntarily. Bottoms up!

13:50 Sun 06th Sep 2015 //


@Mamyalynne

//Put your bottom away,it's Sunday. //


I forget whether you are from overseas, or not, but "Bottoms up!" is a quaint old UK expression meaning "finish your drink", implying "let's have another". Pubs are also open on Sundays. Which is why everyone is always hungover and miserable on a Monday morning.

Now, I suspect you know all of this so I'm left wondering why you turned it into a joke about bottoms, rather than engage with the point I was making about people voluntarily paying extra taxes?

If I turned a serious debate point you had made into a joke about your bum, I'd be howled down and never given an opportunity to forget the incident in dozens of subsequent debates. I thought women only want equality?

[Hypognosis]

@divebuddy

//
Anybody who feels that they should take a Syrian family into their house but isn't sure that they could cope with that in reality: try taking in a gypsy family for a couple of weeks. That should give you an indication.
23:33 Sun 06th Sep 2015 //

An indication of what?

You have personal experience of taking in a gypsy family?

If not, then you are putting yourself in the position of making 'predictions' about what events might transpire, if a Syrian, or gypsy family were invited into a typical British household.

What are those predictions, please?

We can guess the very, very, obvious consequences of having two families living in a house built for one, such as all the bedrooms having existing occupants and there being a limited number of bathroom and lavatory facilities and there being - oh dear - only one kitchen.

So, do tell us the bits we can't guess.


Actually, I'll cut to the chase. If you'd made it about inviting "a bunch of complete strangers" into your home, I probably would not have batted an eyelid. My reply would be: no, I would not invite them in, who knows what they'd get up to when my back was turned? But no, you *specified* gypsies. Why?