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Whatever Next In The Land Of The Free ?
Recording an image of yourself in the altogether is illegal in "The Land of the Free".
COMING SOON - Cover up that mirror in your bedroom/bathroom before you take your clothes off or you will be prosecuted.
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COMING SOON - Cover up that mirror in your bedroom/bathroom before you take your clothes off or you will be prosecuted.
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Well, there's nothing like sewing the seeds early in teenagers minds that the state really is a thoughtless machine that operates in a Kafka-esque alternative universe and likes to put the fear of God into its young people, and potentially affect their lives and careers by publishing this teenage indiscretion
14:08 Tue 22nd Sep 2015
svejk - //Yes Pasta, the school authorities.
But what if it wasn't them? What if it was the children who found his lost phone or ditto, some old pervert. Or much more likely, his own friends who thought it hilarious to put them on twitface.
Photos aren't secure on a phone. Perhaps the 'authorities' are more attuned to what can happen than the AB liberals.//
I don't think starting a sentence with 'But what if ...' does anything to strengthen your argument.
Where do you stop?
What if the whole thing was a sham cover for white slave trading? What if a meteor struck the earth in sixty seconds? And so on and on and on.
We can only discuss and debate based on the evidence we have - which is the link provided, and on that evidence, I think the damage actually done by exposing (sorry!) these two teenagers to mass embarrassment and punishment far outweighs any 'potential' damage done by imagining scenarios that have ot taken place.
But what if it wasn't them? What if it was the children who found his lost phone or ditto, some old pervert. Or much more likely, his own friends who thought it hilarious to put them on twitface.
Photos aren't secure on a phone. Perhaps the 'authorities' are more attuned to what can happen than the AB liberals.//
I don't think starting a sentence with 'But what if ...' does anything to strengthen your argument.
Where do you stop?
What if the whole thing was a sham cover for white slave trading? What if a meteor struck the earth in sixty seconds? And so on and on and on.
We can only discuss and debate based on the evidence we have - which is the link provided, and on that evidence, I think the damage actually done by exposing (sorry!) these two teenagers to mass embarrassment and punishment far outweighs any 'potential' damage done by imagining scenarios that have ot taken place.
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divebuddy - //from the internettywebbything.........
//North Carolina recognizes 18 as the "age of majority," or the age at which state residents are legally considered adults, as do most other states. But state laws also govern a minor's eligibility to become emancipated, give consent to medical treatment, and other legal matters.//
I entirely agree that in legal terms, the two teenagers are 'minors'.
But we have to look at this in context.
As I see it, what we have is two young people who have made a bad decision each regarding the use of the technology at their disposal.
But that's all it is - bad decision making - which is a large part of the process of growing from a child into an adult.
No-one has been harmed by their actions - including them - but the same cannot be said for the actions of the authorities, who have embarrassed them in front of their school friends, families, and total strangers nationwide.
In terms of what they have actually done, that cannot be seen as justified under any circumstances.
//North Carolina recognizes 18 as the "age of majority," or the age at which state residents are legally considered adults, as do most other states. But state laws also govern a minor's eligibility to become emancipated, give consent to medical treatment, and other legal matters.//
I entirely agree that in legal terms, the two teenagers are 'minors'.
But we have to look at this in context.
As I see it, what we have is two young people who have made a bad decision each regarding the use of the technology at their disposal.
But that's all it is - bad decision making - which is a large part of the process of growing from a child into an adult.
No-one has been harmed by their actions - including them - but the same cannot be said for the actions of the authorities, who have embarrassed them in front of their school friends, families, and total strangers nationwide.
In terms of what they have actually done, that cannot be seen as justified under any circumstances.
Svejk - "When pondering matters such as this, imo, whataboutery is important and must be taken into consideration.
We have all sorts of laws that depend on 'what ifs'."
My opinion of 'what if's ...' is that they can lead into a boundless list of possibilities, none of which impact on the issue at hand.
I am not at all sure that any law depends on 'what ifs' - surely that is the point of a law, so that everyone knows where they stand, and there is no room for ... ah ... what if's!
We have all sorts of laws that depend on 'what ifs'."
My opinion of 'what if's ...' is that they can lead into a boundless list of possibilities, none of which impact on the issue at hand.
I am not at all sure that any law depends on 'what ifs' - surely that is the point of a law, so that everyone knows where they stand, and there is no room for ... ah ... what if's!
As I understand it, he was convicted for taking photos of himself, not his girlfriend.
I wish the American justice system would spend its money tackling the huge social problems that it has, like the widespread misuse of firearms, rather than go out of its way to prosecute this lad.
By the way, I wouldn't have minded wiggling my willy in front of the bathroom mirror when I was his age and catching the scene with my Brownie 127....but the lady in Boots would have had a fit !
I wish the American justice system would spend its money tackling the huge social problems that it has, like the widespread misuse of firearms, rather than go out of its way to prosecute this lad.
By the way, I wouldn't have minded wiggling my willy in front of the bathroom mirror when I was his age and catching the scene with my Brownie 127....but the lady in Boots would have had a fit !
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andy-hughes
/// As I see it, what we have is two young people who have made a bad decision each regarding the use of the technology at their disposal. ///
/// But that's all it is - bad decision making - which is a large part of the process of growing from a child into an adult. ///
Perhaps the same could be said about those young people who have made a bad decision regarding the use of knives at their disposal.
But that's all it is - bad decision making - which is a large part of the process of growing from a child into an adult??????????????
/// As I see it, what we have is two young people who have made a bad decision each regarding the use of the technology at their disposal. ///
/// But that's all it is - bad decision making - which is a large part of the process of growing from a child into an adult. ///
Perhaps the same could be said about those young people who have made a bad decision regarding the use of knives at their disposal.
But that's all it is - bad decision making - which is a large part of the process of growing from a child into an adult??????????????
AOG - //Perhaps the same could be said about those young people who have made a bad decision regarding the use of knives at their disposal.//
It could - but that is not what we are discussing here is it?
Obviously some bad decisions, made at any time of life, can have serious and even fatal consequences.
But what we are discussing here is what, in my view, was bad decision making which has affected the two people involved in an completely disproportionate and long-lasting way which is utterly at odds with the consequences of their actions, had they not been discovered - which is no consequence at all as far as we can be aware.
It could - but that is not what we are discussing here is it?
Obviously some bad decisions, made at any time of life, can have serious and even fatal consequences.
But what we are discussing here is what, in my view, was bad decision making which has affected the two people involved in an completely disproportionate and long-lasting way which is utterly at odds with the consequences of their actions, had they not been discovered - which is no consequence at all as far as we can be aware.
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divebuddy - //What happened to your .. the law is the law, no ifs, no buts.
What you are now saying only makes any sense if you are also saying that there should not be a law (in North Carolina) against having "naked images" of minors. Even you, with your twisted (or do I mean non-existent) logic must see that isn't a good idea.
p.s. I'm going out today so any reply will be lost on me, I'm afraid. //
Well, in case you see this later -
I have not at any time said that the law should not be enforced, or that there should be a law, when it is appropriate - and this is the key here - but I do believe that enforcement of the law in this instance was entirely disproportionate.
I do believe in the law, but that does not mean that there are bad laws - and this is one of them. Unreasonable enforcement of a bad law has caused catastrophic consequences which are utterly disproportionate to the offences prosecuted under the law.
What you are now saying only makes any sense if you are also saying that there should not be a law (in North Carolina) against having "naked images" of minors. Even you, with your twisted (or do I mean non-existent) logic must see that isn't a good idea.
p.s. I'm going out today so any reply will be lost on me, I'm afraid. //
Well, in case you see this later -
I have not at any time said that the law should not be enforced, or that there should be a law, when it is appropriate - and this is the key here - but I do believe that enforcement of the law in this instance was entirely disproportionate.
I do believe in the law, but that does not mean that there are bad laws - and this is one of them. Unreasonable enforcement of a bad law has caused catastrophic consequences which are utterly disproportionate to the offences prosecuted under the law.
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