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Mmr Jab...worrying News
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The entirely discredited scare story of a decade ago still seems to have an influence. According to the link, in some areas, vaccination has fallen to less than 80%.
Why are people not taking the advice of health visitors and their GPs ? Its a no brainer to me !
The entirely discredited scare story of a decade ago still seems to have an influence. According to the link, in some areas, vaccination has fallen to less than 80%.
Why are people not taking the advice of health visitors and their GPs ? Its a no brainer to me !
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The problem with that, mushroom, is that MMR is at the very least not the only cause of autism. So not taking the jab not only leaves the child in question still at risk of developing autism anyway, but also at risk of still catching those diseases that, if not always fatal, are certainly very dangerous. It's just a bad risk assessment to refuse the MMR jab on those...
13:28 Wed 23rd Sep 2015
I thought that the fall was maybe exaggerated a little. From 92.7% to 92.3% is not all that significant a drop in take-up of MMR jabs, and is even back, if the article above is to be believed, to levels similar to those before the MMR scare story broke. More work is needed to boost take-up, to be sure, but I wouldn't call this news worrying.
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Parents have never seen a case of measles....or mumps or indeed rubella.....so what is the problem? In their minds they are diseases of the past like polio.
An outbreak of measles with complications and deaths will soon bring them, the parents, to their senses.
Our old friend Dr Andrew Wakefield and the Lancet proof readers didn't help with his research on MMR and autism.
Parents have never seen a case of measles....or mumps or indeed rubella.....so what is the problem? In their minds they are diseases of the past like polio.
An outbreak of measles with complications and deaths will soon bring them, the parents, to their senses.
Our old friend Dr Andrew Wakefield and the Lancet proof readers didn't help with his research on MMR and autism.
Jim....If if its less than 70% in any area, then that is worrying.
I seem to recall that a certain percentage is needed if the spread of disease is to be kept under control. We had an outbreak of measles here in South Wales in 2012, which was a cause for alarm. It could be that language and cultural concerns are a major cause of this less than 80% figure.
My niece is a Health Visitor, and she and her colleagues are always on at parents to make sure that childhood vaccinations are undertaken....its one of the most important of their duties.
I seem to recall that a certain percentage is needed if the spread of disease is to be kept under control. We had an outbreak of measles here in South Wales in 2012, which was a cause for alarm. It could be that language and cultural concerns are a major cause of this less than 80% figure.
My niece is a Health Visitor, and she and her colleagues are always on at parents to make sure that childhood vaccinations are undertaken....its one of the most important of their duties.
because most people are stupid mikey! I remember the original scare where people would buy individual vaccines off a bloke in a pub car park and give them to their own children obviously injecting your kids with gawd knows what from some dodgy geezer is less risky than MMR! right oh! Never underestimate how thick the general public are. As my old maths teacher used to say 50% of people have an IQ under 100, and 50% of them are thicker than that!
I guess my point is that MMR uptake has always been less than the 95% target, so its being less this year is not all that noteworthy -- while matching pre-Wakefield levels suggests that the problem is more than just his fault, and resolvable by shouting at people who haven't as if they were scientific dullards. Probably Sqad's post is closer to the truth, that many people, having never seen any of the diseases, don't appreciate what a danger they may be and don't address the risk accordingly.
I'd hope that the numbers of children receiving the MMR jab will rise in future, of course.
I'd hope that the numbers of children receiving the MMR jab will rise in future, of course.
mikey....mikey!....wash your mouth out.......Wakefield was anything but a twit.....anything but a twit and here lies the problem. Qualified at St Mary,s Hospital London, Fellow of the Royal College of surgeons.....just the person that you are accusing the populace of ignoring.
You see and i have said this many times on AB, medicine and Surgery are just not sciences......there is an Art involved in this and many people still say that Wakefield is correct and his research must go on.
What happens in the Petri dish is quite often totally different from what happens in the human body.
You see and i have said this many times on AB, medicine and Surgery are just not sciences......there is an Art involved in this and many people still say that Wakefield is correct and his research must go on.
What happens in the Petri dish is quite often totally different from what happens in the human body.
TTT, if you had assessed the risk of autism from MMR to be minimal and had permitted your offspring to be vaccinated, then it went on to develop autism, and you had guilty knowledge that it was a possibility - would you shrug and say "oh well, c'est la vie"?
no, didn't think so. and neither will most parents.
no, didn't think so. and neither will most parents.
Sqad...forgive me but all that I have read rather backs up what I have said about Wakefield :::
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As a result of his dishonesty ( the GMC's findings, not my opinion ) Wakefield is barred from practising as a physician in the UK, and is not licensed in the US.
The GMC panel ruled that Wakefield had "failed in his duties as a responsible consultant", acted both against the interests of his patients, and "dishonestly and irresponsibly" in his published research.
He has even been accused of wide-spread fraud, in that he intended to set up a new venture on the back of an MMR vaccination scare that would profit from new medical tests and "litigation driven testing"
But even now, as recently as February 2015, he publicly repeated his denials and refused to back down from his assertions, even though—as stated by a British Administrative Court Justice in a related decision—"there is now no respectable body of opinion which supports [Dr. Wakefield's] hypothesis, that MMR vaccine and autism/enterocolitis are causally linked.
Seems rather definite and damning to me ! The word twit seems rather mild against what the medical authorities have decided.
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As a result of his dishonesty ( the GMC's findings, not my opinion ) Wakefield is barred from practising as a physician in the UK, and is not licensed in the US.
The GMC panel ruled that Wakefield had "failed in his duties as a responsible consultant", acted both against the interests of his patients, and "dishonestly and irresponsibly" in his published research.
He has even been accused of wide-spread fraud, in that he intended to set up a new venture on the back of an MMR vaccination scare that would profit from new medical tests and "litigation driven testing"
But even now, as recently as February 2015, he publicly repeated his denials and refused to back down from his assertions, even though—as stated by a British Administrative Court Justice in a related decision—"there is now no respectable body of opinion which supports [Dr. Wakefield's] hypothesis, that MMR vaccine and autism/enterocolitis are causally linked.
Seems rather definite and damning to me ! The word twit seems rather mild against what the medical authorities have decided.
The problem with that, mushroom, is that MMR is at the very least not the only cause of autism. So not taking the jab not only leaves the child in question still at risk of developing autism anyway, but also at risk of still catching those diseases that, if not always fatal, are certainly very dangerous. It's just a bad risk assessment to refuse the MMR jab on those grounds. And even if the kid did end up with autism later, the idea of a causal link between an MMR jab and autism has been discredited thoroughly, and certainly not confirmed.
As guilty as those parents may feel, it's an illusory and unhelpful guilt. Not that it would matter, to be sure -- I feel guilty about lots of things that I had no control over whatsoever. This would be basically the same. MMR jabs neither cause autism nor do they increase the risk of developing it.
As guilty as those parents may feel, it's an illusory and unhelpful guilt. Not that it would matter, to be sure -- I feel guilty about lots of things that I had no control over whatsoever. This would be basically the same. MMR jabs neither cause autism nor do they increase the risk of developing it.
Jim....Its the same lazy thinking that makes some people to believe that Diana was murdered instead of being killed in a car accident. Its the "there's no smoke with fire" argument.
Very few of are capable of going through all the medical data to try to decide if Wakefield was right or not...perhaps Sqad can !
But all of us are perfectly capable of listening to our family Doctors advice, and its this rejection of medical advice that I find difficult to accept. If my Doc told me to vaccinate my kids, but an article somewhere in a newspaper said that this chap Wakefield might be right, I know whose advice I would follow.
Perhaps TTT is right here...maybe pure and simple stupidity was to blame.
Very few of are capable of going through all the medical data to try to decide if Wakefield was right or not...perhaps Sqad can !
But all of us are perfectly capable of listening to our family Doctors advice, and its this rejection of medical advice that I find difficult to accept. If my Doc told me to vaccinate my kids, but an article somewhere in a newspaper said that this chap Wakefield might be right, I know whose advice I would follow.
Perhaps TTT is right here...maybe pure and simple stupidity was to blame.
//without a complete survey of those who dont take it up//
Mamalyne they are to be found in the case series of measles epidemics
80 deaths in Japan for example
This goes some way to answer your question of what happens if my child isnt vaccinated with MMR - they are susceptible to measles a disease which carries a death rate
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It says there have been no deaths in UK
Actualy there were a few in Manchester ten years ago
Mamalyne they are to be found in the case series of measles epidemics
80 deaths in Japan for example
This goes some way to answer your question of what happens if my child isnt vaccinated with MMR - they are susceptible to measles a disease which carries a death rate
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It says there have been no deaths in UK
Actualy there were a few in Manchester ten years ago
The wife of our family doctor was pregnant at the same time I was with my eldest child. We discussed the vaccination programme and I asked if his new born child would be getting the vaccinations --he replied 'no'. That was good enough for me and non of them have had the MMR though they did have the polio one. Not all doctors were, or are. in favour.
mushroom:my kids had the vaccination before the whole thing hit the news so I never had that choice. Obviously I'd think about it but it's like getting on a plane really, you know there is an infinitesimal chance of it crashing. I certainly would rather the MMR than some dodgy back street version of gawd knows what.
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