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AOG
This is the level playing ground you have been campaigning for, for years.
I'm surprised you're not celebrating.
I think it's an extremely smart way of ensuring that the best candidates, whatever their race or gender get through the door.
Also, please be aware that this refers to 'big employers'. They have protocols in place for ensuring that once the interview process is actually underway, candidates are treated in an equitable manner.
This is the level playing ground you have been campaigning for, for years.
I'm surprised you're not celebrating.
I think it's an extremely smart way of ensuring that the best candidates, whatever their race or gender get through the door.
Also, please be aware that this refers to 'big employers'. They have protocols in place for ensuring that once the interview process is actually underway, candidates are treated in an equitable manner.
mikey4444 wrote the following:
"During the keynote address in Manchester he said: "Do you know that in our country today, even if they have exactly the same qualifications, people with white-sounding names are nearly twice as likely to get callbacks for jobs than people with ethnic-sounding names?
"One young black girl had to change her name to Elizabeth before she got any calls to interviews. That, in 21st-century Britain, is disgraceful."
It seems that there are people on this thread who want to keep that status quo - for reasons best know to themselves...
"During the keynote address in Manchester he said: "Do you know that in our country today, even if they have exactly the same qualifications, people with white-sounding names are nearly twice as likely to get callbacks for jobs than people with ethnic-sounding names?
"One young black girl had to change her name to Elizabeth before she got any calls to interviews. That, in 21st-century Britain, is disgraceful."
It seems that there are people on this thread who want to keep that status quo - for reasons best know to themselves...
Nice one mikey4444 - thanks for posting that.
The BBC did a survey a few years ago where they submitted a number of CVs to random companies, some with 'white' names and some with 'black' names.
The results were as you have described.
I remember at the time, certain sections of the AB community glibly saying that there may have been 'other reasons' - which of course, is impossible to prove...seeing as the CVs were identical!
The BBC did a survey a few years ago where they submitted a number of CVs to random companies, some with 'white' names and some with 'black' names.
The results were as you have described.
I remember at the time, certain sections of the AB community glibly saying that there may have been 'other reasons' - which of course, is impossible to prove...seeing as the CVs were identical!
In a large organisation's personnel department, I can picture the process of sifting 3000 application forms down to 20 interviewees being delegated to one or a number of non-management-grade personnel.
Unless there is someone watching over their shoulder, they can throw applications in the discard pile using any criteria they want, if the boss is sufficiently "hands off".
Interview stage would be conducted by at least a junior manager or section head. In order to be seen to be doing the right thing, they need to select the minority candidates often enough to keep the organisation's ethnic mix in proportion to (this never happens) the *application pool's ethnic mix*. Naturally, that statistic is lost at the binning of CV's stage, so they go for the national average mix - which is unfair on minorities who are clustered in big cities.
Now, if liberal progressives have, over the years, been advancing to management level while bigots are kept in their place in the admin grades then it becomes apparent how sifting on the basis of names alone came about.
Unless there is someone watching over their shoulder, they can throw applications in the discard pile using any criteria they want, if the boss is sufficiently "hands off".
Interview stage would be conducted by at least a junior manager or section head. In order to be seen to be doing the right thing, they need to select the minority candidates often enough to keep the organisation's ethnic mix in proportion to (this never happens) the *application pool's ethnic mix*. Naturally, that statistic is lost at the binning of CV's stage, so they go for the national average mix - which is unfair on minorities who are clustered in big cities.
Now, if liberal progressives have, over the years, been advancing to management level while bigots are kept in their place in the admin grades then it becomes apparent how sifting on the basis of names alone came about.
Thanks SP ! Racism exists in Britain...there is no doubt about that, and I am also surprised why people defend it by pretending it doesn't exist. Or at best, damning it with faint praise. After all, even the Tories now admit that there is a problem, and my whole-hearted support goes to Cameron for mentioning it in his key-note speech.
Although when he did, it reminded me of that Little Britain sketch !
Although when he did, it reminded me of that Little Britain sketch !
I notice that some seem to ignore the fact that in some employment there is definite discrimination against whites, in civil service jobs and even in media employment, and it is openly displayed, all in the name of diversity.
Surely it should be who is best for the job, regardless of colour or gender.
Surely it should be who is best for the job, regardless of colour or gender.
mikey4444
/// Thanks SP ! Racism exists in Britain...there is no doubt about that, ///
Yes but it is not solely a white issue, there is racism between blacks and Asians, and not forgetting racism against whites by both blacks and Asians.
Regarding some employers reluctant to employ certain racial groups, isn't one reason because certain groups carry a little baggage with them?
An employer has to make special provisions for them, and also has to be very careful regarding disciplining them or if they seem to be side-stepping them regarding promotion, just in case the race card is brought into play.
/// Thanks SP ! Racism exists in Britain...there is no doubt about that, ///
Yes but it is not solely a white issue, there is racism between blacks and Asians, and not forgetting racism against whites by both blacks and Asians.
Regarding some employers reluctant to employ certain racial groups, isn't one reason because certain groups carry a little baggage with them?
An employer has to make special provisions for them, and also has to be very careful regarding disciplining them or if they seem to be side-stepping them regarding promotion, just in case the race card is brought into play.
AOG
These proposals will make candidate selection equitable.
So the candidates' racial background or gender will become irrelevant.
Is this not what you want?
I can't understand why you have a problem with this. Best candidate for the role and all that.
If a company has no idea of the race/gender of the applicant - and all they have to go on, is educational achievement, and relative experience, no-one can complain if the shortlist is all black, all white, all Asian or a mix of the three.
Please let me know why this is an issue - b cause right now, I'm stumped.
These proposals will make candidate selection equitable.
So the candidates' racial background or gender will become irrelevant.
Is this not what you want?
I can't understand why you have a problem with this. Best candidate for the role and all that.
If a company has no idea of the race/gender of the applicant - and all they have to go on, is educational achievement, and relative experience, no-one can complain if the shortlist is all black, all white, all Asian or a mix of the three.
Please let me know why this is an issue - b cause right now, I'm stumped.
sp1814
/// I can't understand why you have a problem with this. Best candidate for the role and all that. ///
It is neither a problem or an issue, but most think it is only a black problem and issue.
Please tell me your thoughts on total discrimination against whites.
No matter on how many white faces were missing in certain places of employment, do you really think that there would be a ban placed on recruiting non white faces so as to balance up the numbers, remembering of course that at the moment, we are a predominate white nation?
/// I can't understand why you have a problem with this. Best candidate for the role and all that. ///
It is neither a problem or an issue, but most think it is only a black problem and issue.
Please tell me your thoughts on total discrimination against whites.
No matter on how many white faces were missing in certain places of employment, do you really think that there would be a ban placed on recruiting non white faces so as to balance up the numbers, remembering of course that at the moment, we are a predominate white nation?
@sp1814
In terms of "best for the job", the operative word in the story link is "graduate". The whole issue here is that employers have pushed candidates to the max with regard to trumping each other in educational qualifications (assume Phd.'s are for the lecturer career path only, for now).
What's left to tell them apart? The gap year? The zero hours jobs? The Millwall scarf?
In terms of "best for the job", the operative word in the story link is "graduate". The whole issue here is that employers have pushed candidates to the max with regard to trumping each other in educational qualifications (assume Phd.'s are for the lecturer career path only, for now).
What's left to tell them apart? The gap year? The zero hours jobs? The Millwall scarf?
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