What's In A Name.

[Peasblossom]

51 Originally he was the man in black. (3, 4)/(3,5, 8) any clues would be gratefully appreciated.
Have got Rip Torn for the first part, but cannot get an thing for the second part thanks in advance.

[Tuvok]

I always though Johnny Cash was known as the man in black!

[Psybbo]

I can only think of
The black crusader

[Davemano]

This question has been shown as just 5 and 8 for the second name - see lengthly tread by Maisie Doates

[Peasblossom]

Thanks to all. Sorry Davemano i did get number of letters wrong

[Davemano]

So it is 5 8

[Davemano]

The man who created the Caped Crusader and put him in black has a name 3 and 4

[Leecon]

Thanks Davemano for your help. I have looked at the caped crusader and have got the man who created him but... ...the quiz says that the first part is the name the person is usually known by, the second part is the birth name or former name of that person. I'm not sure the caper crusader really fits the clue? unless I am looking too deeply?

[Davemano]

Thanks - think that's the first time I've seen the object explained. Makes my suggestion way out, so it's back to the drawing board.