So Sir Gen Haughton And Jeremy Corbyn Clash - On Remembrance Sunday.

[DTCwordfan]

The issue, nuclear defence. The venue, the Andrew Marr show, the transcript of the interview, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/08111503.pdf

Apparently Corbyn is furious and believes senior military should be muzzled.

Is he right? And this must grate with those Labourites who believe in deterrents as to nuclear missiles. How is this going to play out?

My view is that Corbyn is barking.....

[sandyRoe]

I was trying to say in a circuitous was that it is not the business of The military to meddle in politics.
Time enough for that when they take their seat in The Lords after they've retired.

[efjay]

Ask people right and left and you will get different answers, those on the left who agree with removing Trident will agree with Corbyn, right wingers will just use anything to attack him.

The situation is the Army is sworn to serve the crown and H.M. Govt. whoever that may be, whatever their policies are, end of. The Military is not allowed to interfere by constitutional convention in politics, it is a line that can never be crossed. The military must never be seen to interfere in the civil democracy, we are not a military state. There are means and ways for the General to express his advice or concerns to Corbyn but to do it publicly is a serious breach of protocol and worrying interference by the military in the democratic process. I am shocked this could happen in Britain, if it happened elsewhere, we would cry foul about democratic rights.

We have to take the emotional politics out of the situation from left and right and have an investigation into this, personally I think the General should be held to account and forced to step down.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Got distracted from OP by personal irritation with Christian who doesn't give a damn about the slaughter of his brethrenrl
Must engage with Middle Eastern expert on effects of mass Islamic immigration. DTC, sadly quiet when you could be be advising us.

[vetuste_ennemi]

When DTC and Sandie have emerged from their love-fest then...?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Not for this thread, DTC, but any chance that a Middle Eastern expe.rt like you will debate issues of Islamic fundamentalism?

[vetuste_ennemi]

That will be a no, innit?

[DTCwordfan]

Not at the moment vestute, it's too early and I have things to do. In addition, this thread is about Haughton and Corbyn - I have a sympathy that Haughton may have gone too far but on the other hand with reference to Corbyn, jis definition of a deterrent is a continual process is a good one though.

Corbyn would put the UK in an exposed position and that is unacceptable. That's my opinion and it seems that many share it.

As to Islamic fundamentalism, I am not an expert or tied to an organisation like Chatham house. However, I have travelled extensively through N. Africa and the Middle East, the only country that I haven't been to being Israel. This was largely on business, some hols like Petra, and I have enjoyed understanding Islaam a little deeper and one thing that I have learned is that both we and they have some huge misunderstandings of each other..... I do not support the extremist view of IS as I don't appereciate so-called Christian fundamentalism or extreme groups either.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Well stated and fuzzily defined, DTC.

[vetuste_ennemi]

That's the best he could do. Gamma minus.
Meet me ona better day.

[sandyRoe]

V-E, my maudlin musings in R&S are mostly tongue in cheek. I'd have thought you'd have seen that.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Mostly, Sandy.

[anotheoldgit]

SirOracle

/// Corbyn has a valid point. The use of a nuclear deterrent is NOT a decision to be taken by the military,but should rightly be a government decision. ///

Corbyn is not the government and is not likely to be so.

[dannyk13]

An oath of allegiance to the Queen?King is taken by all persons joining the armed forces.There is no mention of allegiance to the government.
http://www.whodareswins.com/british-army-oath-of-allegiance.html

[Hypognosis]

But the Government is Her Majesty's Government. So, in order to obey the Queen, they must also obey her government.

That's why failure to do so would constitute a coup. How that would be treated by the wider world could be... interesting. See Myanmar for a case in point.

[Togo]

Corbyn didn't object when General Lord Ramsbotham, General Sir Hugh Beach, or Field Marshall Lord Bramall( whose home was raided by the investigators in the alleged VIP child abuse ring) expressed doubts about renewing Trident. Hypocrite.

[DTCwordfan]

To make a statement contrary to Haughton's position, okay, to complain about it, that is petulant and from a man who advocates debate in his party. Smacks of 'Democracy is what I believe in and want in my party, but only if it is on my terms.'

[mushroom25]

his party, his rules DTC.

[Togo]

Its my party and I'll cry if I want to.

[mushroom25]

yep - in an open and fair election, the party elected jeremy corbyn to be their leader, in the full knowledge of his brand of socialism, and in the full knowledge of the direction that this would take the party over the next 5 years. it ill becomes party members (in particular his Defence Secretary) to start complaining now about aspects of policy decisions arising.

[vulcan42]

I believe the general is absolutely correct to speak out. Corbyn is the person in the wrong because he has totally undermined the security of this country by saying he will not deploy nuclear weapons.