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If the elderly lady was not aware of the rules re free bus travel then neither was the driver.


//The unnamed 87-year-old had intervened when the driver confronted the suspects after they boarded the 166 bus on Brighton Road, Coulsdon, south London but refused to pay.//
AOG - ///// If the girls had not paid, that was a matter between them and the driver. ///

/// What business was it of the little old lady? ///

/// That does, in principle, seem a fair point. ///

Can one believe these two pieces of scum, these savages, are getting such support from some on this site? Blaming a law abiding 87year old lady for poking here nose in matters, that didn't concern her. //

Try reading the post before leaping to conclusions please.

I said 'in principle' - which leaves out all the emotion and pent-up venom that some people love to bring to emotive debates.

I then went on to explain that standing up for a perceived injustice does not entitle anyone to physical violence.

Now if you can extract 'support' from that position, then you are a better man than I.

Please read what is clearly there, and not your incorrect interpretation of what is there.


It is fairly obvious what happened here.

The girls expected to travel for free because they can. Under 16s travel free.
The driver wanted proof of their 14 year ages. They didn't have any, so argued.
The old lady frustrated at the bus being stopped, had a go at the girls.
They reacted with a punch because they are immature.
All probably easily avoidable with a bit of common sense.

- driver should not have been a jobsworth
- old lady should not have got involved
- girl should not have been thuggish.
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/// Since moderation rules apply equally to everyone on the AB - despite what you may think to the contrary - ///

Perhaps I am now in order to add 'naive' to your list of attributes, when I say are you really that naive to believe what you have just put?

/// if sp or I launch a post of personal vitriol and insults, both he and I would quite rightly run the risk of having our posts pulled, and would have no comeback if they were. ///

Yes but they won't be, proof of that is the fact that both you and sp1814 have insulted me but your posts remain.

Also the fact that in the past I described a vicious female criminal as a *** and was openly criticised by one of the Eds for using that word, yet it has been used today and nothing has been said.

I have also given up reporting abuses of Site Rules, since nothing has been done, even a personal email receives no response, except to say they will get back to me, which they never do.
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AOG - ///// Since moderation rules apply equally to everyone on the AB - despite what you may think to the contrary - ///

Perhaps I am now in order to add 'naive' to your list of attributes, when I say are you really that naive to believe what you have just put? //

That would once again be offensive, and inaccurate, but if that is your view, so be it.

/// if sp or I launch a post of personal vitriol and insults, both he and I would quite rightly run the risk of having our posts pulled, and would have no comeback if they were.

Yes but they won't be, proof of that is the fact that both you and sp1814 have insulted me but your posts remain. //

Perhaps that depends on the definition of the term 'insult' which must necessarily be a subjective adjective. If a post - anyone's post - is deemed by a moderator to be inappropriate, it is removed, if not, then it is not. I cannot speak for the other moderators about their perceptions of your post contents as against mine, or anyone else's.

//Also the fact that in the past I described a vicious female criminal as a *** and was openly criticised by one of the Eds for using that word, yet it has been used today and nothing has been said. //

Then you would need to take that up with the Editorial Team - I have no say in their policies, of their response systems.

//I have also given up reporting abuses of Site Rules, since nothing has been done, even a personal email receives no response, except to say they will get back to me, which they never do. //

Again - that is beyond my remit, so whereas I am perfectly happy to address your posts to me - in whatever form they take - I hope you will appreciate that in the majority of points you have made, I can offer nothing more than a personal opinion - which I have done.

I hope this helps.
AOG,
Saying the old lady should not have got involved is not 'supporting' the actions of the girl.






//Gromit
It is fairly obvious what happened here.

The girls expected to travel for free because they can. Under 16s travel free.
The driver wanted proof of their 14 year ages. They didn't have any, so argued. //



//Both girls, described as black and aged between 14 and 18, ran away from the bus.// ?????????????????????????????????????

retrocop - // Both girls, described as black and aged between 14 and 18, ...//

That sounds like a simple generic description, based on observation, before knowing the facts of their respective ages.
Sipowicz "Well let me inform you two, I make no excuses for using such descriptions, against these two savages as their crime is miles away from a petty altercation between a drunken crowd and an adult male, which had he been white would not have even been reported on."
/// If he had been white, it wouldn't have happened! ///
15:00 Wed 11th Nov 2015
andy-hughes /// Succinctly put Sipowicz!! ///

Har de har har.

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Gromit

/// The old lady frustrated at the bus being stopped, had a go at the girls.
They reacted with a punch because they are immature.
All probably easily avoidable with a bit of common sense. ///

Yes don't dare argue with them, perhaps that bloke on the station should have been mature enough to just got in another carriage, then what was videoed as happening could have probably been avoided if the black guy had used a bit of common sense, there have I also come up with a solution?




Yes retrocop, a poor discription
// Police said in a statement: ‘The 14 year-old female has been taken to a south London police station where she remains in custody.
‘Officers have also identified the second female involved in the incident – she has not been arrested at this time. //
AOG - //Gromit

/// The old lady frustrated at the bus being stopped, had a go at the girls.
They reacted with a punch because they are immature.
All probably easily avoidable with a bit of common sense. ///

Yes don't dare argue with them, perhaps that bloke on the station should have been mature enough to just got in another carriage, then what was videoed as happening could have probably been avoided if the black guy had used a bit of common sense, there have I also come up with a solution? //

Why do you seem unable to separate a deliberatlely flippant, and quite possibly tongue-in-cheek post, from a serious one, and on that subject, why do you see 'support' for the plainly unsupportable - as in this incident, when you were more than keen to offer 'support' to the football yobs in your large number of posts on that thread?
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//Also the fact that in the past I described a vicious female criminal as a *** and was openly criticised by one of the Eds for using that word, yet it has been used today and nothing has been said. //

Not openly criticised this time but censored by three stars, what better proof than that?

Also note this childish remark from ummmm

/// Because you're a cry baby, AOG. ///

Personal abusive but to date, not removed.
I’m sick of reading this constant prattle about Site Rules that seems to permeate thread after thread in ‘News’. Like a bunch of kids in a school yard!
He started it Miss!
14 year olds do not travel for free on London buses.
^Exactly!
*That was to Gavmacp.
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/// That sounds like a simple generic description, based on observation, before knowing the facts of their respective ages. ///

Why didn't you question Gromit when he stated they were 14 year old girls?

Double standards once again.

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