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Arming British Police
Forgive me for putting this in News when I do not supply some link to invite you to debate this thread.
Earlier today on LBC radio it was asked if we think, in light of Paris, that British police should be armed permanently.
If gunmen burst into the Savoy Hotel would it be better that a local copper had a firearm rather than hide in a corner and radio for armed back up from an ARV who could be 9 minutes plus away? Remember Lee Rigby. Officers on scene but unarmed and powerless until ARV arrived.
Not all police officers feel happy about carrying firearms. I can respect that decision although as a member of a unit that carried a H&K MP5 single shot 9mm carbine plus a Glock 9mm for the last 20yrs of my service I was none too happy about some of my colleagues who never loaded their weapons and locked them in the glove box of the vehicles they travelled in.
We are told we have members of the Special Recognicance Regiment patrolling in plain clothes around London along with armed plain clothes police officers. Allegedly the army officers are not armed. I hope that is not true. Why bother to have them? Of course we have an army member arrested for murder during terrorist troubles years ago so perhaps the SRR are not happy with the so called rules of engagement the H.O. wish to saddle them with.
There are many ex police/army firearms trained personnel living in London
and other towns/cities. Would you feel safer knowing that there may be an armed gentleman dining next to you who would be happy to intervene should a terrorist storm your restaurant.
It isn't that stupid or laughable. The LDV/Homeguard (Dad's Army) were entrusted with firearms to protect their countrymen in times of war.
Obviously some older gentlemen would have to be tested as to their capability in possessing and using a firearm in a close quarter situation but do any body think there may be some merit in the suggestion that sensible ,capable persons who have been trained in the use of firearms be allowed to carry them covertly and use them to protect their fellow citizens?
r
Earlier today on LBC radio it was asked if we think, in light of Paris, that British police should be armed permanently.
If gunmen burst into the Savoy Hotel would it be better that a local copper had a firearm rather than hide in a corner and radio for armed back up from an ARV who could be 9 minutes plus away? Remember Lee Rigby. Officers on scene but unarmed and powerless until ARV arrived.
Not all police officers feel happy about carrying firearms. I can respect that decision although as a member of a unit that carried a H&K MP5 single shot 9mm carbine plus a Glock 9mm for the last 20yrs of my service I was none too happy about some of my colleagues who never loaded their weapons and locked them in the glove box of the vehicles they travelled in.
We are told we have members of the Special Recognicance Regiment patrolling in plain clothes around London along with armed plain clothes police officers. Allegedly the army officers are not armed. I hope that is not true. Why bother to have them? Of course we have an army member arrested for murder during terrorist troubles years ago so perhaps the SRR are not happy with the so called rules of engagement the H.O. wish to saddle them with.
There are many ex police/army firearms trained personnel living in London
and other towns/cities. Would you feel safer knowing that there may be an armed gentleman dining next to you who would be happy to intervene should a terrorist storm your restaurant.
It isn't that stupid or laughable. The LDV/Homeguard (Dad's Army) were entrusted with firearms to protect their countrymen in times of war.
Obviously some older gentlemen would have to be tested as to their capability in possessing and using a firearm in a close quarter situation but do any body think there may be some merit in the suggestion that sensible ,capable persons who have been trained in the use of firearms be allowed to carry them covertly and use them to protect their fellow citizens?
r
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I'm a little concerned about the police in general being armed, because of the number of '
11:46 Mon 16th Nov 2015
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DB
//Still most people are supporting the idea that the police should be armed, so that's a good start isn't it.//
Yes and No IMO. I believe firearms should be carried covertly. I am sure that SRR, SAS, maybe SBS are not wearing No I's or mess dress at Wembley tonight. That is if they are deployed of course. :-)
I believe the uncertainty that just maybe there is a good guy sipping his coffee in a cafe may put certain cowards on the back foot and wonder if they will soon meet their virgins.
I don't know. It may never happen. I do despair though.
//Still most people are supporting the idea that the police should be armed, so that's a good start isn't it.//
Yes and No IMO. I believe firearms should be carried covertly. I am sure that SRR, SAS, maybe SBS are not wearing No I's or mess dress at Wembley tonight. That is if they are deployed of course. :-)
I believe the uncertainty that just maybe there is a good guy sipping his coffee in a cafe may put certain cowards on the back foot and wonder if they will soon meet their virgins.
I don't know. It may never happen. I do despair though.
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PP;//has anyone noticed that having the gendarmerie armed to the teeth didnt seem to stop the massacre in Paris ? //
Hardly the point, the lethal spraying of the automatic weapon by a subnormal drug-crazed idiot, took not much more than one minuet; well outside of the distance from the nearest armed cop. But, - please see my "Dirty Harry" post of 09:08 Tues.
Hardly the point, the lethal spraying of the automatic weapon by a subnormal drug-crazed idiot, took not much more than one minuet; well outside of the distance from the nearest armed cop. But, - please see my "Dirty Harry" post of 09:08 Tues.
DB
I am not talking about "ordinary people". The ones who one a rubber doll at a fairground stall with a .22 pump.
Did you watch the last episode of the SAS selection programme last night.?
If the DS were really who they say they were and not just line shooters or RTRs or social misfits then they might be of some use as "special covert constables".
Mr Hogan Howe said tonight he wants to increase his firearm officer strength by 700 to boost the mere 2000. As I mentioned earlier has he got 700 officers who want to train and carry firearms with the right attitude to take on that task.
I recall a young Tony Long in SO19. He shot and killed two armed felons on two different armed robberies.First time he got a paid holiday to the USA to recover from any shock he may have suffered. Second time the IPCC wanted to hang him up to dry. Both operations were legitimate,justifiable shootings for which he answered for in Coroners Court and was exonerated.
As a result of the grief that was piled upon him many authorised shots wanted to hand in their Authorisation cards and tell the job to stuff it.
I am not talking about "ordinary people". The ones who one a rubber doll at a fairground stall with a .22 pump.
Did you watch the last episode of the SAS selection programme last night.?
If the DS were really who they say they were and not just line shooters or RTRs or social misfits then they might be of some use as "special covert constables".
Mr Hogan Howe said tonight he wants to increase his firearm officer strength by 700 to boost the mere 2000. As I mentioned earlier has he got 700 officers who want to train and carry firearms with the right attitude to take on that task.
I recall a young Tony Long in SO19. He shot and killed two armed felons on two different armed robberies.First time he got a paid holiday to the USA to recover from any shock he may have suffered. Second time the IPCC wanted to hang him up to dry. Both operations were legitimate,justifiable shootings for which he answered for in Coroners Court and was exonerated.
As a result of the grief that was piled upon him many authorised shots wanted to hand in their Authorisation cards and tell the job to stuff it.
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