Greville Janner Unfit To Stand Trial

[mushroom25]

no surprises then.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35027705

now he's off the hook, will he proceed to do the full Ernest Saunders?

[Sqad]

\\\\The most recent report, from September, stated that Lord Janner has no short-term memory, barely recognises his family and "can now hardly speak".\\\

Would you consider that proceeding with this case is in the PUBLIC interest?

[Jomlett]

The decision on Monday means that there will not be a full criminal trial to hear the claims against Janner, which span three decades.

Instead, he is expected to face a “trial of the facts”, where the jury is asked to decide – on the basis of evidence adduced by prosecution lawyers and by lawyers who put the case for the defence – whether or not the accused did the acts he or she was charged with. His trial of facts has already been earmarked to start on 11 April next year.

[mikey4444]

This decision stinks to high heaven....its a ruddy disgrace.

[Hopkirk]

How much more did they spend, just to confirm what was already decided?

[Mamyalynne]

Do you really think propping him up in the dock, not knowing who he was or where and understanding little if anything said too him would serve any purpose?


I can understand the huge disappointment of those affected that he wasn't brought to book whilst he was still compus, but I can't see it happening now.

[grasscarp]

Surprising that he is so unfit considering that as recently as May 2014 he used the House of Lords car park - so presumably was driving.......

[Jackdaw33]

compos mentis.

[Mamyalynne]

Yes an error on my part..


Well, I have seen people go from fit and well to lying on a slab in days - so if he could drive 18 moths ago he must be having the experts on - what an actor.

[grasscarp]

I think he knows very well what he is doing. Found this information online.

Westminster attendance records show Janner attended the House of Lords almost daily and claimed more than £100,000 in expenses in the four years after he was diagnosed with the disease.

He only stopped attending Parliament – and claiming up to £300 a day for doing so – when child abuse police raided his house on December 2013. Even in that month he attended the Lords 12 times.

Analysis of records shows Janner continued speaking fluently for years after his diagnosis and was also alert enough to claim expenses among the highest in the Lords.

[Hopkirk]

I love the Earnest Saunders reference.

He's the man who was released from prison 10 months into a 5 year stretch because of Alzheimers.

He went on to make a full recovery.

[Mamyalynne]

Very well then , disallow the expert's decision and try him , and when the verdict is reached dish out the appropriate sentence.

Hopefully this will appease the victims and the general public.

[Peter Pedant]

agree complete waste of public money

all the victim can say ' we told you so' and we will be no nearer the unvarnished truth - but the lawyers will be a lot richer

[douglas9401]

If we can try and convict corpses, why not those with one foot in the grave?

[Mamyalynne]

How did the last corpse plead Douglas?

[Peter Pedant]

Mama - a judge can enter a plea of not guilty if the defendant is unwilling/unable to answer himself

( joke joke OK but the judge can do that - and will if D refuses to plead )

[douglas9401]

No idea, I don't speak spook.

[Mamyalynne]

Well it looks like a 'Trial of Facts' may be the only option now, though his team will appeal against it happening.



http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/29/lord-janner-case-what-is-trial-of-the-facts

[mushroom25]

sqad: //Would you consider that proceeding with this case is in the PUBLIC interest? //

in the 1990s, Ernest Saunders "had no short-term memory, barely recognised his family and could hardly speak". was it in the public interest to keep him in prison? the authorities decided not and he was released. and then, whaddya know? miraculous recovery, first ever recorded.
so sqad, excuse my cynicism, but......

[Sqad]

mushroom...your point is well taken, but the true psychiatric diagnosis of this client was never established, but it certainly was not Alzheimer's disease.

[Mosaic]

Just a thought - how hard is it to deliver granddad to the House of Lords n collect him at home time, given minions are there present to stop him wandering into traffic?
I agree the whole shebang reeks, but lets drill deeper for the root cause of why his wage has been drawn down all this time.