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Petition Calling For Sharia Reform Delivered To No 10
In Sharia courts women are seen as having half the worth of men and are trapped in ‘marital captivity’.
Can the government wield any influence, and if so, how?
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Can the government wield any influence, and if so, how?
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jno :~ " Jews have had Beth Din courts for years without concerning anyone else."
But maybe 'concerning' to those involved in the Jew courts ?
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But maybe 'concerning' to those involved in the Jew courts ?
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/// I have some sympathy with muslims who have this barbaric nonsense drummed into them from birth but I don't understand, usually left wing, people who with the benefit of a largely secular, western education continually defend this moronic cult. ///
Perhaps it is because they have this nonsense drummed into them, perhaps not from birth, but maybe from the continuous PC rubbish that they have drummed into them from the media and their political leanings etc.
Whereas others can think for ourselves.
Perhaps it is because they have this nonsense drummed into them, perhaps not from birth, but maybe from the continuous PC rubbish that they have drummed into them from the media and their political leanings etc.
Whereas others can think for ourselves.
TCL
If you can justify these abuses and intimidation to Muslim women in the UK under Sharia Law then it says more about the type of person you are. Seems it is OK in your eyes because thats what you're Muslim mates do .
As for me and my ex mates we tried to protect women from abuse under UK law regardless of race,colour,religion or creed.
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If you can justify these abuses and intimidation to Muslim women in the UK under Sharia Law then it says more about the type of person you are. Seems it is OK in your eyes because thats what you're Muslim mates do .
As for me and my ex mates we tried to protect women from abuse under UK law regardless of race,colour,religion or creed.
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Just a few snippets from the report that is the subject of this question:
“Zarina*, who attained an English and an Islamic divorce from her ex-husband, explains: “As a Muslim, this is a step I had to do. Otherwise, he could say that under Islam, I am still his wife.”
“Divorce is much easier for men. They merely have to pronounce the “talaq” (“I divorce you”)”
“Nammi believes the pressure on women to get Sharia approval is intensifying. “It wasn’t like this 20 years ago: then people could get divorced without Sharia courts.”
“Polly Harrar is the founder of The Sharan Project, a charity supporting women who’ve been disowned by their community. “Sharia law is a very difficult process and I’m yet to hear of any positive outcomes for women seeking redress through it,” she says. “Often the divorce process is convoluted, uncomfortable and expensive. It places the burden of proof on the woman and it’s designed to mediate in favour of the husband.”
“There’s a perception that a cloak of secrecy surrounds Sharia “courts”. A Dutch academic, Machteld Zee, managed to break through this, sitting in on 15 hours of hearings. At the weekend, her study was released; some of its findings were disturbing. In one case, a woman testified she had long been a victim of domestic violence, to which the judge responded: “Why did you marry such a person?” Of her study, Zee has written: “No qadi acted surprised when a woman told her about abuse, and the police are never mentioned.” She’s also critical of the lack of arbitration: “Every interviewee confirmed my professional intuition that these councils do not mediate or arbitrate.”
There’s no reason to doubt that there is a good element of truth in all of this. How anybody, anybody, can believe that this is an acceptable state of affairs or can defend it in any way in the UK in 2015 is extremely hard to fathom. Muslims need to understand that their method of arbitration is not necessary and is unacceptable. It is clearly not impartial, it is heavily male dominated and the women who are the victims of this system are virtually forced by their “communities” to comply.
It is an utter, utter disgrace. The sort of principles on which these tribunals operate are more discriminatory against women than the UK courts were 200 years ago. Sharia Courts do not need reform they need complete abolition. They represent everything that the UK has fought to eradicate in a quest for equality and Muslims should be told that living in the UK means abiding by its principles. There are plenty of places in the world where their ridiculous and abhorrent practices which treat women as trash are readily accommodated. They should decamp to one of them if they hold those values so dear.
“Zarina*, who attained an English and an Islamic divorce from her ex-husband, explains: “As a Muslim, this is a step I had to do. Otherwise, he could say that under Islam, I am still his wife.”
“Divorce is much easier for men. They merely have to pronounce the “talaq” (“I divorce you”)”
“Nammi believes the pressure on women to get Sharia approval is intensifying. “It wasn’t like this 20 years ago: then people could get divorced without Sharia courts.”
“Polly Harrar is the founder of The Sharan Project, a charity supporting women who’ve been disowned by their community. “Sharia law is a very difficult process and I’m yet to hear of any positive outcomes for women seeking redress through it,” she says. “Often the divorce process is convoluted, uncomfortable and expensive. It places the burden of proof on the woman and it’s designed to mediate in favour of the husband.”
“There’s a perception that a cloak of secrecy surrounds Sharia “courts”. A Dutch academic, Machteld Zee, managed to break through this, sitting in on 15 hours of hearings. At the weekend, her study was released; some of its findings were disturbing. In one case, a woman testified she had long been a victim of domestic violence, to which the judge responded: “Why did you marry such a person?” Of her study, Zee has written: “No qadi acted surprised when a woman told her about abuse, and the police are never mentioned.” She’s also critical of the lack of arbitration: “Every interviewee confirmed my professional intuition that these councils do not mediate or arbitrate.”
There’s no reason to doubt that there is a good element of truth in all of this. How anybody, anybody, can believe that this is an acceptable state of affairs or can defend it in any way in the UK in 2015 is extremely hard to fathom. Muslims need to understand that their method of arbitration is not necessary and is unacceptable. It is clearly not impartial, it is heavily male dominated and the women who are the victims of this system are virtually forced by their “communities” to comply.
It is an utter, utter disgrace. The sort of principles on which these tribunals operate are more discriminatory against women than the UK courts were 200 years ago. Sharia Courts do not need reform they need complete abolition. They represent everything that the UK has fought to eradicate in a quest for equality and Muslims should be told that living in the UK means abiding by its principles. There are plenty of places in the world where their ridiculous and abhorrent practices which treat women as trash are readily accommodated. They should decamp to one of them if they hold those values so dear.
// As for me and my ex mates we tried to protect women from abuse under UK law regardless of race,colour,religion or creed. //
erm in fact there was a long period in the seventies and eighties when if you mentioned DV ( domestic violence ) the police didnt give a toss ....
hence battered womens' refuges and all that sort of thing ....
erm in fact there was a long period in the seventies and eighties when if you mentioned DV ( domestic violence ) the police didnt give a toss ....
hence battered womens' refuges and all that sort of thing ....
Two policemen were walking down a Glasgow Street in the 1970s. The older one, a sergeant, was "puppy walking" a young new recruit.
Suddenly a man staggered up to them begging for help. He had a large knife stuck in his back.
"Leave him alone, laddie" said the elder copper.
"But sarge, he's been stabbed"
"I'm well aware of that. But did you see what sort of knife it was?"
"A bread knife, sarge"
"Aye, laddie. So it's domestic. We don't get involved in domestics!"
(With apologies and thanks to Rab C. Nesbitt)
Thankfully, things for most of the population have moved on a bit, Peter. And they similarly need to for Muslims.
Suddenly a man staggered up to them begging for help. He had a large knife stuck in his back.
"Leave him alone, laddie" said the elder copper.
"But sarge, he's been stabbed"
"I'm well aware of that. But did you see what sort of knife it was?"
"A bread knife, sarge"
"Aye, laddie. So it's domestic. We don't get involved in domestics!"
(With apologies and thanks to Rab C. Nesbitt)
Thankfully, things for most of the population have moved on a bit, Peter. And they similarly need to for Muslims.
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