Almost 100,000 Illegals Stopped At The Uk Border.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3371203/Almost-100-000-illegals-stopped-UK-border-1m-migrants-entrants-enter-EU-year-number-trying-UK-doubles.html

At least we do still have a border, that is one very good reason why we should leave the EU.

[jackthehat]

I can't quite see how our stopping illegal immigrants entering the country, which is to be applauded, is a good reason why we should leave the EU.

It won't mean our coastline moves further away...

[retrocop]

If Germany e.g. gives european passports to the thousand of immigrants Merkel has accepted and the dual citizenship that comes with it then they have an open door to the UK under freedom of movement.

[jackthehat]

Yes, but then they are not illegal, are they?
Unwanted and unwelcome, undoubtedly, but not illegal.

[retrocop]

That was the threat and ultimatum the Italians gave when they were and still are besieged by boat people. Give us more Euros and help or we give them all European passports and fast track tham wherever they wish to go in Europe.

[jackthehat]

But that doesn't answer the question as framed by AOG.

[whiskeryron]

Please JTH,don't make this difficult. You know exactly what AOG is saying. If we leave the EU we will be ABLE to retain & maintain our own borders rather than constantly being told what to do in our own country by some clown in Brussels.

[Ellipsis]

Was there a question as framed by AOG?

I think the point is that the same "illegals" we might turn away from our own borders, could ultimately gain entry to our country by becoming "legals" through other borders. This is a big weakness of the European system and, while it remains, many Brits will want to leave the EU.

[jackthehat]

AOG doesn't like it when we try to guess what he means by his posts.

The stopping of illegal immigrants and leaving the EU are two unconnected issues.

[Zacs-Master]

There is no 'clown' at the EU saying we must accept illegal immigrants. If there was, that would be reason enough to want out.

[Baldric]

Two seperate issues,
1. Stopping Illegals at the UK border
2. & Leaving the EU.
No, make that three, seeing JTHs post @ 13:34
3. What was AOGs question?

[Ellipsis]

A simple scenario played out over the next few years:

* Germany accepts 1M Syrians (whereas the UK accepts 20,000)
* 600,000 of that 1M speak better English than German
* 60,000 of that 600,000 decide to legally migrate to the UK
* Now we have 80,000 Syrians instead of the 20,000 we agreed to take - four times as many

Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is a matter of opinion. But it's a fact that the same people we would turn away from our own borders could ultimately gain entry here through the largesse of our fellow EU members.

[whiskeryron]

For fellow EU members read Pillocks

[Bazile]

Well Lord Hague ( when did he become a lord ) says we shouldn't leave - so i'll have no further calls to leave - ok ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35165720

[retrocop]

For Lord Hague read pillock!

[whiskeryron]

I'm sorry to wheel out this old chestnut but I'm going to anyway. France & Germany tried & tried over the years to subdue these islands & failed, the two countries got their heads together & formulated a wonderful plan to achieve their ambitions & finally did it, they now have us over a barrel & I for one resent it & feel we should put a stop to their plans once & for all by breaking away from Europe. We could still trade with them but also with Australia, New Zealand, India, African Nations & of course our choice with the remaining countries of the world.

[jackthehat]

And will that mean that we'll be stopping more or fewer illegal immigrants...?

[Ellipsis]

Is that aimed at me?

Whether they're legal or illegal is moot because, as demonstrated above, there is a path outside of our control for turning "illegal" people into "legal" people, yet they're the same people.

The real issue is whether people are coming in who we don't want to come in and, if so, what we can do about it.

[New Judge]

“There is no 'clown' at the EU saying we must accept illegal immigrants. If there was, that would be reason enough to want out.”

Really? Maybe not us, but every other member bar the UK, Ireland and Denmark. Those three countries have an “opt out” (if ever such a thing was needed) from this lunatic scheme:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34193568

This plan aims to distribute “asylum seekers”. Under the UN Agreement on the treatment of refugees almost none of those in Europe qualify as asylum seekers because they did not apply for asylum in the first safe country they arrive in. Therefore they are illegal immigrants and this scheme directs EU member States to accept a share of illegal immigrants. It is only by the foresight of previous administrations that the UK has maintained this opt out. Had the “clowns” had their way, there would be a bar on the chart in the BBC’s article labelled “UK” (and it would probably be a long bar).

That said, it is far more important for the UK to leave the EU because of the future ramifications of this folly which have already been mentioned. Those migrants “distributed” to places such as Slovenia, Slovakia, Poland, Bulgaria and Romania are not going to stay there (that is if they ever get there at all). That’s not where they want to be. Furthermore, the EU is not going to tolerate hundreds of thousands of migrants within its borders who have second class citizenship meaning they are unable to freely travel (which, of course, we are frequently told, is one of the two "crowning achievements" of the European Project). At some time (probably sooner rather than later) they will be granted full EU citizenship meaning they can travel to the UK at will. Then the 100,000 mentioned in AOG’s question will be but a small trickle. To be perfectly accurate when they enter the UK they will no longer be “illegal”, but the effect will be the same. That’s one very good reason (among many) why the UK needs to leave the EU, and leave it fairly sharpish.

[jackthehat]

No....that was to WhiskeryRon.

I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, I simply pointing out that AOGs OP addresses 2 unrelated issues.

[Zacs-Master]

That was a JCJ plan which doesn't seem to have come to fruition. As you say yourself NJ, 'if ever such a thing was needed'. Let's stick to the Status Quo rather than speculating on imaginary scenarios.