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This getting to the point of serious security concerns, what if any of these were terrorists, what next storming onto an aircraft.?
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“What happened to the plan that the Jungle was to be bulldozed last week by the French government? Where did this bunch of pirates spring from?” Alas, retro, like many things you read in the news, that was really smoke and mirrors.. The plan was to bulldoze around one third of the encampment and transfer the occupants to shipping containers, suitably...
13:20 Sun 24th Jan 2016
This storming of the ship may have been a last desperate attempt to get to the UK. Fences and barbed wire continue to go up in Calais, all bridges close to the tunnel have a fence across to stop anyone jumping on to lorries. I noticed pockets of immigrants heading inland away from Calais.
What I also noticed was more and more water appearing, I thought this was just because of the weather but a German friend (even without me mentioning the pools of water) said that it was deliberately being flooded. Though I can't find any information to back this up.
What I also noticed was more and more water appearing, I thought this was just because of the weather but a German friend (even without me mentioning the pools of water) said that it was deliberately being flooded. Though I can't find any information to back this up.
“How do you feel about those who AB Members who suggested shooting the migrants at Calais?”
It’s unfortunate that this question seems to have degenerated somewhat, with suggestions that some people advocate the indiscriminate machine gunning of unarmed civilians. I didn’t see the answer posted in the middle of the night and subsequently removed, so cannot comment on it, but I don’t think the sentiment of the remainder who have mentioned “shooting” was quite as suggested.
I would feel extremely uneasy if any migrants, in Calais or anywhere else, were shot. However, there is a rather big “however”. I was in the Port of Calais when it was stormed a couple of years or so ago. Although I only have the reports of yesterday’s incursion to go on I have first-hand experience of the earlier one and believe me it was not a pretty sight. I don’t scare that easily but it certainly up me. There were far more people involved than was reported yesterday and the only difference was that swift action by the ferry crews prevented any vessel being boarded.
Without venturing into potential terrorism, the Channel ports and the ferries are strategically important to the wellbeing of both the UK and mainland Europe. Accordingly their security, and of those using them, is not to be taken lightly. It is clear that the migrants do not respect that security and see the ports as a legitimate target to facilitate their dream to reach the UK. Something needs to be done to demonstrate to them that this is not so because the measures taken at present do not work. If more intense policing or troops are to be deployed in the ports it is of little use if they are simply going to chase after invaders and ask them to kindly leave the area if they manage to catch any. They need to be educated in the basics: shipping ports are secure areas and any unauthorised incursions will be dealt with accordingly. If the incident yesterday had occurred at Heathrow it is very probable there would have been fifty bodies on the tarmac.
So I don’t advocate the indiscriminate strafing of unarmed civilians but when sensitive and supposedly secure areas are stormed as I have witnessed and which occurred yesterday it is likely that, if they are protected as they should be (indeed as an airport would be) there may be casualties in the melee. The transport leaders are right to demand increased security at Calais and elsewhere because this disgraceful and outrageous scandal has gone on for long enough.
“Now we have suggestions that the Calais migrants should be treated as an Invading army..”
Not as an army, Eddie, but invaders nonetheless. And if you witnessed what I did (where I feared for the safety of myself and my passengers when confronted by a marauding mob) you may feel differently. The situation in Calais is an utter disgrace and nobody – drivers, passengers, port workers, ships’ crew and Calais businesses and residents – nobody should have to put up with it.
It’s unfortunate that this question seems to have degenerated somewhat, with suggestions that some people advocate the indiscriminate machine gunning of unarmed civilians. I didn’t see the answer posted in the middle of the night and subsequently removed, so cannot comment on it, but I don’t think the sentiment of the remainder who have mentioned “shooting” was quite as suggested.
I would feel extremely uneasy if any migrants, in Calais or anywhere else, were shot. However, there is a rather big “however”. I was in the Port of Calais when it was stormed a couple of years or so ago. Although I only have the reports of yesterday’s incursion to go on I have first-hand experience of the earlier one and believe me it was not a pretty sight. I don’t scare that easily but it certainly up me. There were far more people involved than was reported yesterday and the only difference was that swift action by the ferry crews prevented any vessel being boarded.
Without venturing into potential terrorism, the Channel ports and the ferries are strategically important to the wellbeing of both the UK and mainland Europe. Accordingly their security, and of those using them, is not to be taken lightly. It is clear that the migrants do not respect that security and see the ports as a legitimate target to facilitate their dream to reach the UK. Something needs to be done to demonstrate to them that this is not so because the measures taken at present do not work. If more intense policing or troops are to be deployed in the ports it is of little use if they are simply going to chase after invaders and ask them to kindly leave the area if they manage to catch any. They need to be educated in the basics: shipping ports are secure areas and any unauthorised incursions will be dealt with accordingly. If the incident yesterday had occurred at Heathrow it is very probable there would have been fifty bodies on the tarmac.
So I don’t advocate the indiscriminate strafing of unarmed civilians but when sensitive and supposedly secure areas are stormed as I have witnessed and which occurred yesterday it is likely that, if they are protected as they should be (indeed as an airport would be) there may be casualties in the melee. The transport leaders are right to demand increased security at Calais and elsewhere because this disgraceful and outrageous scandal has gone on for long enough.
“Now we have suggestions that the Calais migrants should be treated as an Invading army..”
Not as an army, Eddie, but invaders nonetheless. And if you witnessed what I did (where I feared for the safety of myself and my passengers when confronted by a marauding mob) you may feel differently. The situation in Calais is an utter disgrace and nobody – drivers, passengers, port workers, ships’ crew and Calais businesses and residents – nobody should have to put up with it.
Is there any reason why there couldn't be liners moored off Calais and all migrants put on them when they arrive? There would be no encampments in France and local residents, lorry drivers and ferry crews would be safer. A mixed detachment of French/British marines could guard them on the liner until they have been checked and escorted to the ferries if they are allowed into the country. Does anybody see a problem with this?
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this is from NewJudges post at 13:20, if they wont go to a camp on dry land they wont go to one at sea.
\\The plan was to bulldoze around one third of the encampment and transfer the occupants to shipping containers, suitably fitted out with beds, running water, kitchens, secure entry systems (and of course mobile phone charging facilities), Around 1,600 people were due to be transferred. I believe the scheme has now been completed (but not before the occupants set fire to two bulldozers, completely destroying them). Their reluctance to leave was said to be because the authorities wanted too much information from tem (including their fingerprints for the entry system) and they believed they would then be forced to apply for asylum in France (which of course demonstrates perfectly that they are not refugees but economic migrants trying to get to their destination of choice). //
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this is from NewJudges post at 13:20, if they wont go to a camp on dry land they wont go to one at sea.
\\The plan was to bulldoze around one third of the encampment and transfer the occupants to shipping containers, suitably fitted out with beds, running water, kitchens, secure entry systems (and of course mobile phone charging facilities), Around 1,600 people were due to be transferred. I believe the scheme has now been completed (but not before the occupants set fire to two bulldozers, completely destroying them). Their reluctance to leave was said to be because the authorities wanted too much information from tem (including their fingerprints for the entry system) and they believed they would then be forced to apply for asylum in France (which of course demonstrates perfectly that they are not refugees but economic migrants trying to get to their destination of choice). //
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Eddie51
You are letting your emotions run away with you and are not reading what has been posted.Either that or you are deliberateley putting words in my mouth which I object.
I said bulldozed,napalmed after the occupants were deported NOT whilst still in residency.
Get it right. No problem burning a cess pit once vacated. It kills any human waste and other contagions that may exist!!
You are letting your emotions run away with you and are not reading what has been posted.Either that or you are deliberateley putting words in my mouth which I object.
I said bulldozed,napalmed after the occupants were deported NOT whilst still in residency.
Get it right. No problem burning a cess pit once vacated. It kills any human waste and other contagions that may exist!!
Vulcan42 Liners at Calais to house the migrants ??
There are over 3500 of them just at Calais alone plus more at Dunkirk,with 300 more or so arriving every day.
Where do you suggest they get sufficient ships to be used as 'prison hulks'?
Do you think cruise companies will just cancel their schedules and hand over their Multi Million £ cruise ships ( there have been no 'Liners' for at least 20 years)to be used to house migrants?. Cruising is big business and very profitable there is a shortage of ships as it is, let alone commandeering them to be tied up as floating detention centers. You are just not living in the real world
There are over 3500 of them just at Calais alone plus more at Dunkirk,with 300 more or so arriving every day.
Where do you suggest they get sufficient ships to be used as 'prison hulks'?
Do you think cruise companies will just cancel their schedules and hand over their Multi Million £ cruise ships ( there have been no 'Liners' for at least 20 years)to be used to house migrants?. Cruising is big business and very profitable there is a shortage of ships as it is, let alone commandeering them to be tied up as floating detention centers. You are just not living in the real world
Well.Put rings and rings of dannert wire around the comfy little porta cabins and frog march them in until full to capacity.Build a deep water filled moat to deter tunnelers. Systematically interview the criminals and determine where they are from.If no details are forthcoming then open up a labour camp on Devil's Island and ship them there for so many years. Illegal entry and/or criminal damage. Vagrancy etc .Those who reveal their true country of domicile should be deported back to where they came from. No one gets hurt and port business continues as it should.No expensive liners on stand by either.
It is a fact that the majority of the occupants of the camps are young men and mostly from the Horn of Africa and there is such a surplus of women's and children's clothes given by charities that they have been burning them. The small percentage of women and children should imo be housed in the best accommodation possible.
But when J. Corbyn was recently there, he ensured he was seen holding an infant in his arms, thereby giving out his usual distorted picture.
But when J. Corbyn was recently there, he ensured he was seen holding an infant in his arms, thereby giving out his usual distorted picture.
Yeah no I mean no- Yeah
what if they storm the aircraft and no one notices or more likely dont do anything besides say 00-la-la !
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yeah and then they say ( in romanian or immigrant or some other language ) hey there is no pilot !
and a little immigrant girl all of 8 y old whose parents have been zeroed on the way says ' I think I can my captain !
and the immigrant in charge ( er of immigration I think ) growls yeah ok.
Fly the airplane I mean
only a passenger who used to BE an immigrant but is now a landlord understands what they are saying
and HE says "my god the fact that no air hostess has ever crashed a plane doesnt mean that air hostesses can safely fly planes"
only he speaks in English and the other passengers understand the speech and THEY start screaming
and another immigrant from africa probably asks in arabic - is that girl for sale ?
and the guy 'in charge' of the immigrants he says
"OK change of plan - we 're gonna SAIL this to England and the Queen herself will welcome us" and this is meant to show planning ability AND power to tell the future
but the immigrants who have been on the journey acrpss tje Aegean and had to swim part of the way - THEY start screaming .....
to be continued - by another ABer if they want in the spirit of
" this REALLY could happen I mean they really COULD storm an aircraft .... "
what if they storm the aircraft and no one notices or more likely dont do anything besides say 00-la-la !
!
yeah and then they say ( in romanian or immigrant or some other language ) hey there is no pilot !
and a little immigrant girl all of 8 y old whose parents have been zeroed on the way says ' I think I can my captain !
and the immigrant in charge ( er of immigration I think ) growls yeah ok.
Fly the airplane I mean
only a passenger who used to BE an immigrant but is now a landlord understands what they are saying
and HE says "my god the fact that no air hostess has ever crashed a plane doesnt mean that air hostesses can safely fly planes"
only he speaks in English and the other passengers understand the speech and THEY start screaming
and another immigrant from africa probably asks in arabic - is that girl for sale ?
and the guy 'in charge' of the immigrants he says
"OK change of plan - we 're gonna SAIL this to England and the Queen herself will welcome us" and this is meant to show planning ability AND power to tell the future
but the immigrants who have been on the journey acrpss tje Aegean and had to swim part of the way - THEY start screaming .....
to be continued - by another ABer if they want in the spirit of
" this REALLY could happen I mean they really COULD storm an aircraft .... "
But storming a ferry( twice, once by New Judges experience and once in the link I provided) is ok then is it peter, attacking HGV drivers with weapons is fine is it peter, the only reason they are not storming an aircraft is because they are by a ferry port.
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