Should Teachers And Pupils Be Banned From Wearing Veils?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/12122713/Ofsted-to-mark-down-schools-if-wearing-the-veil-hinders-learning.html

[vulcan42]

THECORBYLOON, my point is obvious, the person in this photograph cannot be recognised, wouldn't a white man in tennis gear be recognised by other teachers?

[NellieMay]

Yes

[THECORBYLOON]

You asked if she was a teacher or a terrorist not if she would be recognised.

[Khandro]

THECORBYLOON; I can't believe I'm having to ask this; are you actually saying that you think it acceptable than in English school you have no problem with a teacher standing before a class of children, where all they can see of her is her eyes through a slit in a black tent?

[THECORBYLOON]

It is not a "tent" and in an English school, Scots school or whatever, I have no problem.

[Svejk]

No kids?
Lefty's don't get it. Schools aren't there for the benefit of teachers.
And while we're here, hospitals aren't there for the benefit of doctors & nurses.

[naomi24]

THECORBYLOON, // I have no problem. //

You do.

[Khandro]

In my mind's eye, I can go back well over half a century and see the faces of my first teachers; Mr Riley, Miss Muir, kindly smiling and helping us.
Go figure! it isn't rocket science.

[vulcan42]

\\ You asked if she was a teacher or a terrorist not if she would be recognised.//
If you can't recognise somebody how do you know who or what they are? You have referred to the person in the photograph as "she", are you sure? it could be a male and that's one of the problems, the burqa completely hides the identity of the wearer. Why should a child be taught by an anonymous person devoid of all recognition?

[naomi24]

If Ofsted suspects that the veil hinders education I don’t understand why THECORBYLOON finds it acceptable to expose children to a potentially damaging social experiment. I repeat, no veil – no question.

[TWR]

I will never except the mask, it's intimidating, not necessary, it's there as a Point! " I will push the boat out" causes bad feelings, do you see Brits or any other Nationality walking about with a face covering? the stupid things should be barred & should be make Illegal by this weak Government.

[andy-hughes]

TWR - //do you see Brits or any other Nationality walking about with a face covering?//

No, but that's because veils are not part of our culture.

Allowing for cultural differences is important, but in this instance, where wearing a veil represents a threat to vital communications between teachers and children, and vice versa, then that has to be addressed.

[Khandro]

Veils and burqas are banned even in many Muslim and European countries, the latest being Switzerland. Here are 5 basic good reasons why they should be banned completely;
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/98263/five-reasons-ban-burqa-daniel-greenfield

[Khandro]

Slightly off on a tangent, but I support these Muslim women 100%, their leader is an excellent woman called Shaista Gohir. I get sent updates on their activities and this is the latest. Might interest someone.

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=14513de99dac8d5f78b2163ec&id=a2cbde4a56&e=f89c574e47

[THECORBYLOON]

Seeing a face cannot be vital to communication if blind folk are able to manage day in day out.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Hasn't the fallacy in your argument been exposed at least twice on this thread, Corbyloon? You seem untypically slow on the uptake this evening.

[-Talbot-]

Legs are not important as amputees manage day in day out

[TWR]

Loon, you don't have come out with some bull ***.

[-Talbot-]

Speaking is not important as deaf people manage day in day out

[THECORBYLOON]

The assertion is that being able to see a face is essential for communication when clearly it is not. Millions of folk across the globe communicate effectively, never having seen another human's face how do they do that if seeing is such a vital aspect of communication. Talking on a 'phone rarely involves seeing each other but the world hasn't collapsed around us so far.

NAOMI asks about Ofsted making a judgement that the veil hinders education but on what is that based? 'Andrew Clapham, an expert on school inspection at the Nottingham Trent University school of education, said [Ofsted Chief Inspector Wilshaw's] position was not supported by any research.

“There is no credible evidence base to suggest that wearing a piece of clothing on one’s head has an impact on intellectual or academic ability,” he said.'

“Penalising an institution because of a piece of clothing raises a whole range of questions, which appear beyond the remit of the school inspectorate. If Ofsted is to pursue this initiative, then empirical evidence should be analysed prior to making such a policy decision"'