Should Teachers And Pupils Be Banned From Wearing Veils?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/12122713/Ofsted-to-mark-down-schools-if-wearing-the-veil-hinders-learning.html

[TWR]

You only her the person on the Phone, some person in a cloak & a mask can hold a hidden gun as has been proved.

[THECORBYLOON]

What has a veil's impact upon communication got to do with someone hiding a gun? In the gun attacks in American schools, did the assailants wear cloaks or masks?

[-Talbot-]

How when you have lets say a dozen faces covered in the same black garb do you tell who is who , Corby?

Or are these children not individuals but just objects?

[THECORBYLOON]

When they speak

[naomi24]

THECORBYLOON, //NAOMI asks about Ofsted making a judgement that the veil hinders education//

No, Naomi does not ask that. Naomi has not mentioned judgement. Naomi said that Ofsted suspects that the veil hinders education and logically it's right. Purposefully denying access to arguably the most essential of the human senses - sight - must be unnecessarily detrimental. This isn’t about teachers and their foibles – and it isn’t about making politically correct noises. It’s about our children - all of our children - and our responsibility to them which, personally, I think we should take rather more seriously than you’re taking it. If it really isn’t an issue, as you propose, why does Ofsted think it could well be an issue?

[DaisyNonna]

Learning and teaching are based on communication
Veils, for teacher or pupil inhibit this

[THECORBYLOON]

NAOMI, an expert has said there is no credible evidence to support Ofsted's viewpoint so I cannot answer your question.

[DaisyNonna]

An expert?
In what?

[-Talbot-]

THECORBYLOON
When they speak


Ah, so when the teacher addresses a question to a particular student the teacher has to wait for them to speak?

If the teacher poses a rhetorical question to a student then you have to wonder why the teacher bothered to posed a rhetorical question!

[THECORBYLOON]

DAISY Andrew Clapham, an expert on school inspection at the Nottingham Trent University school of education, said [Ofsted Chief Inspector Wilshaw's] position was not supported by any research. 

“There is no credible evidence base to suggest that wearing a piece of clothing on one’s head has an impact on intellectual or academic ability,” he said.' 

“Penalising an institution because of a piece of clothing raises a whole range of questions, which appear beyond the remit of the school inspectorate. If Ofsted is to pursue this initiative, then empirical evidence should be analysed prior to making such a policy decision"' 

[THECORBYLOON]

TALBOT, when David Blunkett was sitting around the Cabinet table, how did he recognise who was talking at any particular point since he was unable to see their faces?

[askyourgran]

Why do they find it necessary to wear a burka in a classroom full of children? I have always been slightly deaf and tend to lip read. Which makes it impossible. With a burka wearer. Children also like to see the teacher's mood, a smiling teacher brings out the best in them.

[-Talbot-]

You keep on using instances of people who naturally have a disability, if you haven't got a disability then don't put up barriers that make communication harder.


Care to answer my question?

[NellieMay]

Well said Talbot.

[Khandro]

Arguing with an idiot on The Answerbank is like playing chess with a parrot. You may be good at chess, but the parrot is just going to knock all the pieces down, and **** on the table.

[NellieMay]

Facial expression is so important in communication, and expressing ideas.

[THECORBYLOON]

TALBOT, I am illustrating the point that an ability to see someone's face is not a vital part of communication as is being claimed.

I would be surprised if in a group of girls/women wearing veils, all would be wearing completely identical veils & other clothing and all had identical eyes, eyebrows, nose etc that made it impossible to differentiate between them.

[THECORBYLOON]

KHANDRO, argue with Andrew Clapham then.

[-Talbot-]

It's much easier to understand wether a pupil is soaking in the information you tell them if you can see their face ... C'mon, you can't disagree with that can you?


I ask my kids rhetorical question to see the expression on their face, I'm sure teachers do that to pupils too!

[THECORBYLOON]

If there were a look of confusion, would that not be apparent in their eyes which would be visible even if wearing a veil? I would agree that it may be more obvious if the face were screwed up and visible.