Harrowing Pictures Once Again, How Much Longer Must It Continue?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3424644/Horror-history-repeats-lifeless-child-carried-beach-39-drown-Turkish-coast.html

When this was reported on the BBC news, it was linked to the lack of support shown by some European countries to accept more migrants.

Surely this is not the answer because the more we accept, the more will risk their lives in the attempt to gain entry to Europe.

What we should be doing is dissuading them from coming in the first place.

[douglas9401]

They're not black, they're purple and called turnips.

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

LOL

[anotheoldgit]

THECORBYLOON

Didn't realise that Syrians were black.

[Khandro]

fiction-factory
//I thought these people had gone from Syria to Turkey and then go to Greece, so would a blockade in Libya help here Khandro?//
There are camps for Syrian Refugees in Turkey and also there is no war there, on top of which the EU is offering 3 Billion Euros to Turkey to cover the cost of retaining them.
The purpose of a blockade of Libya would be to prevent all of Africa, North and sub -Saharan, Afghans, Eritreans, Somalis, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, presently pouring themselves into Europe.
Tony Blair used to pay Gadhafi to keep them from coming.

[Gromit]

I have a cunning plan to dissaud Syrian from leaving their country. - Stop dropping bombs on them.

[New Judge]

“And what form would that dissuasion take AOG?”

As has been suggested, a naval blockade in the Mediterranean, especially between Turkey and Greece and Libya and southern Italy. All unauthorised craft intercepted and towed back to Turkey or North Africa, That would do for a start. Then the land borders which they might be tempted to use as an alternative rigorously enforced and intruders turned back. Then, the abandonment of the Schengen agreement with internal borders re-established across mainland Europe. Then rigorous enforcement of the Dublin Agreement and the UN Convention on the treatment of refugees making them apply for asylum in the first safe country they arrive in. Then, holding camps set up to contain those arriving (who should be far fewer in number) in the first country they arrive in to stop them roaming across the continent (which they will find harder to do without Schengen).

Then I could move on to how they are treated in the various countries. The UK in particular seems intent on processing them and providing accommodation in agreeable hotels together with pocket money. France seems content to let them wallow in the mud around Calais and Dunkirk.

It’s a question of will. The EU has no will to stop them entering. It can only discuss how to deal with them once they’ve arrive (and it seems singularly unable to agree even on that). The migrants (and most of them are migrants, not refugees) know this. If it was made known that they had a far slimmer chance of reaching the EU (courtesy of the naval blockades and border controls) and little chance of reaching their “destination of choice”) they would soon become less willing to part with £thousands and risk their lives. It needs strong leadership, will and application. The EU has none of these. Neither does the UK. It’s thanks to the sea, not the government, that the UK is not suffering an invasion similar to that seen on the continent.

So the answer is that it will continue for as long as the current policies are followed and there is little chance of a significant change.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// I have a cunning plan to dissaud Syrian from leaving their country. - Stop dropping bombs on them ///

Hey! why wasn't you around during WW2 so as make Hermann Goering aware of your plan?

But then it would have been of little use since most of us had no wish to leave our country.

[anotheoldgit]

As three side questions, I would like to ask our left-wing ABers, have you changed your attitude on how theses migrants should be treated?

1/ Should they be still welcomed with open arms?

2/ Set up in camps in the first safe country they arrive in?

3/ Or prevented from coming in the first place?

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, where did I say anything about Syrians?

[anotheoldgit]

THECORBYLOON

And where did I say anything about Blacks.

[ichkeria]

Gromit is essentially correct: the main cause if the refugees coming via Turkey is the war next door
Until that is stopped there is no chance of stopping the crisis
We can try to combat trafficking, and work more closely with at Turkey also, but the war is the thing and it looks like getting worse not better

[Togo]

// I wouldn't accept any out of date veg. //

Including 'greens' from Brussels.