There's Interesting

[Svejk]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/01/gay-cake-row-i-changed-my-mind-ashers-bakery-freedom-of-conscience-religion

[agchristie]

An unsavoury business...

[andy-hughes]

It is interesting.

I am still re-reading to get my head round Mr Tatchell's change of view.

[retrocop]

Queer old business all round but thats Ireland for you .Dare'nt ask for Fairy cakes these days!! :-)

[jim360]

Read it once, will need to read it again to form a proper opinion. But a first glance suggests that he may have a point. The test case would be whether a heterosexual couple asking for the same "Support gay marriage" cake would also be refused. I think they would be. In which case it's hardly discrimination against their sexuality, but their world-view.

[agchristie]

Retrocop - indeed! If the case goes to the Supreme Court it could cost hundreds and thousands!

[retrocop]

I think the very point was debated here first time round and made by an ABer if my
Memory serves me.

[bazwillrun]

wonder what else he'll be changing his mind about !....

[Togo]

//Dare'nt ask for Fairy cakes these days!! //

Or ginegerbread.

[Togo]

Ginger.

[Peter Pedant]

yeah and when I said to a shop assistant in a veggie shop
stick some lady's fingers up me
they called the police !

I cdnt follow Tatchell's argument - refusing to ice a cake with 'Gay marriage is great !" infringes the cake-sellers right to free speech ?
or have I just not understood what the great man is saying ( not for the fist time )

[naomi24]

Another one meeting himself coming back. I've always thought him a plonker.

[Svejk]

As best I can make out, they didn't discriminate against the customers because they were gay. They would, no doubt, refuse to make that cake for a heterosexual couple.
I wonder, now that a 'big hitter' like Tatchell has done so, will any of our ABers rethink their position.

[hc4361]

Surely the first priniciple of business is 'what the customer wants, the customer gets' providing it is legal.
The bakers could have insisted that the company name was not promoted with any presentation of the cake if they don't want to align themselves with the sentiments

[sp1814]

I'm almost certain that it was me who proposed that if they refused to make the same cake for a straight customer, then they were not guilty of anything...however, I'm not sure who raised the question last year.

Was it you Svejk?

Hang on - let me seen if I can find the original thread. It might be illuminating.

[sp1814]

Nope...can't find it (only searched for bakery and bakers though).

[-Talbot-]

ludwig
Unless the bakers would have been prepared to bake the same cake for a heterosexual person (I don't think they would), then the ruling of discrimination is incorrect.

It's simple logic.
22:01 Tue 19th May 2015

[Mamyalynne]

This ??


http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1420688.html

[-Talbot-]

Original thread, sp

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1420688.html

[sp1814]

Thanks -Talbot-

Had a look at the original thread and balked at checking it (nearly 200 posts!)

[sp1814]

...and you Mamyalynne!