Why Should Those Who Do Not Live Here Have A Say In Our Future?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.gov.uk/government/world-location-news/did-you-know-expats-will-be-able-to-vote-in-the-eu-referendum
Forces and foreign service accepted of course but why should those who do not even want to live here have any say?

[Togo]

//If the uk vote is to stay in eu the people not happy can move to a non eu country, I'm hearing plenty vacancies in Syria//

Perhaps that is the long term EUSSR plan. Not unlike the Stalinist model, no doubt forcibly, perhaps make Scotland their penal colony to boot.

[steg]

Maybe Scotland already has its place sorted within "eussr" ,perhaps it will be called utopia ;)

[mrblear]

Or Eutopia

[steg]

Lol cooool ^

[Togo]

Utopia. Greek for not & place = no place.

Nearly all creators of Utopia have resembled the man who has toothache, and therefore thinks happiness consists in not having toothache.... Whoever tries to imagine perfection simply reveals his own emptiness.
George Orwell.

[steg]

Was he Scottish?

[KARL]

If I understand the OP and its subsequent clarification correctly then those who have not shared the misery of a life in the country do not deserve a vote on whether that misery is to be canonised as unalterable, inviolable, immune from influences leading to change. I have to admit that, seen from such a standpoint, to me the contention is entirely logical.

Moreover, if one in this way continues to eliminate those who are guilty of the heresy of even the tiniest inkling that England and its institutions are not far superior to everything else worldwide (equal is also an unacceptable concept, must be a definition of stark superiority versus inferior foreign rubbish) then "progress" toward the goal may actually come about. Every so often demanding renegotiation (is this the fourth or the fifth time in 45 years, or is it more ?) and repeating the process of voting on the In or Out question (in 1975 64% were for IN, maybe now it will be less ....?) will perhaps eventually succeed in proving to all within and outside the country that England is unwilling to take part in a co-operative where they can't at will/whim tell everyone else how it will be run to their own petulant mood swings and perceptions.

[Togo]

Funnily enough in the recent referendum held in the land of make believe ex pats were denied the right to vote. This was fervently applauded by the out campaigners. Hypocrisy.

[Togo]

//If I understand the OP and its subsequent clarification correctly then those who have not shared the misery of a life in the country do not deserve a vote on whether that misery is to be canonised//

Perhaps they who live here recognise the main source from whence the 'misery' emanates.

[steg]

Not really, the Scottish referendom used the holyrood electrol register

[catswhiskas]

Cameron knows the ex pats are going to vote to stay in , vyhsts why he is giving them the vote. I do not see why if you dont live here you should get the vote. (sorry sqad).

[steg]

I don't think Cameron is giving them the vote, they are already entitled to vote

[Togo]

//This was fervently applauded by the out campaigners. Hypocrisy//

That was the point!

[ToraToraTora]

so what country do you live in then Karl?

[steg]

"Not really, the Scottish referendom used the holyrood electrol register"

So is that^

[Togo]

“There are also those who delusively if not enthusiastically surrender their liberty for the mastermind’s false promises of human and societal perfectibility. He hooks them with financial bribes in the form of ‘entitlements.’ And he makes incredible claims about indefectible health, safety, educational, and environmental policies, the success of which is to be measured not in the here and now but in the distant future.
For these reasons and more, some become fanatics for the cause. They take to the streets and, ironically, demand their own demise as they protest against their own self-determination and for ever more autocracy and authoritarianism. When they vote, they vote to enchain not only their fellow citizens but, unwittingly, themselves. Paradoxically, as the utopia metastasizes and the society ossifies, elections become less relevant. More and more decisions are made by the masterminds and their experts, who substitute their self-serving and dogmatic judgments — which are proclaimed righteous and compassionate — for the the individual’s self-interests and best interests.” Mark R Levin.

If that is not the vaunted (by some) EUtopia I don't know what is.

[anotheoldgit]

This vote is a UK vote gained because some of us are dissatisfied by the way our country is being ruled by an organisation which is little better than the once 'Soviet Block of countries'.

Because it effects only those who actually live in the UK, then it is only them who should be allowed to vote, in this UK referendum.

It is obvious that those ex-pats living in the other EU countries will obviously vote to stay in Europe, since as it has already been shown, for selfish reasons, since it is financially beneficial for them to remain in the EU.

[Khandro]

Cats. //Cameron knows the ex pats are going to vote to stay in , vyhsts why he is giving them the vote.//

It has nothing to do with what Cameron wants, expats who have moved abroad within the last 15 years and have registered, have a legal right to vote in all elections and referendums.
I am an expat and shall vote to leave, it could have an adverse effect on me, but I believe it is the right thing to do for Britain.

[Sqad]

\\\\It is obvious that those ex-pats living in the other EU countries will obviously vote to stay in Europe, since as it has already been shown, for selfish reasons, since it is financially beneficial for them to remain in the EU.\\

Quite......but if one has been an ExPat for more than 15 years ( the 15 year rule) then one does not get a vote in a UK General Election or the European referendum.
I feel that there is a good reason for ExPats not voting in the UK general election ( I have never done), but the EU referendum merits further consideration even if those considerations might be described as...selfish.

[naomi24]

sqad, What difference would the UK's exit from the EU make to you? Genuine question to which I don't know the answer.