Maybe Footballer Adam Johnson Won't Get Such A Harsh Jail Sentence After All?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3481721/Middle-aged-lesbian-fondled-drunk-15-year-old-schoolgirl-tent-jailed-32-months.html

[sp1814]

Why?

What's the equivalency?

[agchristie]

The judge has given a preliminary indication that Johnson will get five years.

Each case on its own merits, Johnson, lets not forget, was effectively guilty of three counts. Sexual activity, grooming and sexual offence.

[andy-hughes]

sp - //What's the equivalency? //

The only equivalency I can see is in the judge's comments - they could be equally applied to Johnson.

[sp1814]

AOG

So, looking at agchristie' well considered answer there, do you get that the details of these cases are sufficiently different as to warrant different custodial sentences?

Or to you, are they identical in all details, intent and execution?

[sp1814]

andy-hughes

Whilst the summing up may be applicable to both cases, the offences committed are not identical. If the offences and circumstances were identical, then I'd understand the point of the question.

But they aren't.

[jackthehat]

From the report, it appears that Williams acknowledged her actions and pleaded guilty thereby saving the court's time and and the taxpayer some money. This will have been taken into account during sentencing.

Carrying on an inappropriate physical relationship with a child is indefensible whatever the sexes of the parties involved.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// What's the equivalency? ///

Yes you correct there is no equivalence between the two, the Lesbian's crime against the girl is much more serious.

In the footballers case the girl knew what she was doing and went some way to encourage him.

Yet this poor child was drunk and the woman took advantage of that fact that this young girl didn't have control over what was happening.

[hc4361]

In this case the woman didn't aggravate the girl's trauma by forcing her to give evidence in court.

[retrocop]

//Carrying on an inappropriate physical relationship with a child is indefensible whatever the sexes of the parties involved.//

Can't disagree with that.

[andy-hughes]

sp1814 - //Whilst the summing up may be applicable to both cases, the offences committed are not identical. If the offences and circumstances were identical, then I'd understand the point of the question. //

Absolutely - with the exception of the judge's admonishments, and the very broad similarity in circumstances, the two cases are unique - as indeed every single case ever tried is unique.

Personally, having read the details of the lesbian attack, I would never for one moment have linked that with Johnson - it is amazing the amount of work and effort that has been put in by some posters of the Johnson thread to find ways of minimising his disgusting behaviour.

Their posts usually consist of an opening caveat, along the lines of "I know he was wrong BUT ...." and then typing our reams of reasons why he was actually not wrong at all - usually at the expense of the victim of his behaviour who is seen as culpable at least - and downright fully responsible at most, and all degrees in between.

Still - people see what they want to see, facts or no facts.

[andy-hughes]

sp1814 - While I was posting my last post, the OP presenter was busy proving my point.

[agchristie]

@ Andy

A reminder of my post yesterday:

It's somewhat ironic that the OP appealed to not turn the thread into a anti-Katie Hopkin diatribe and yet some of the comments aimed at the victim amount to just that.

Some of the posts acknowledging Johnson's guilt come across as rather grudging in nature that he allowed her to lead him down the wrong path.

[VHG]

>>Carrying on an inappropriate physical relationship with a child

Strange thing is the definition of a "child" (and age of consent) varies from country to country.

The age of consent in Germany is 14 ! (as long as a person over 21 has not encouraged the sexual activity).

A few other countries in Europe have an age of consent of 14 (Austria, Italy, Portugal for example)

Some countries of the world have it at 12 (Mexico for example) !!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

I must say 12 seems far too young, and I am not sure even 14 is right, but we cannot do much about what other countries set.

[andy-hughes]

Indeed ag - I think using the term 'grudging' is most magnanimous on your part!

Some of the posters appear to want to see Johnson as simply doing what loads of other people do, with the dual bad luck of being famous and being caught doing it.

[hc4361]

VHG, even if she were over the age of consent there is no denying that she was abused whilst drunk and unable to consent.

[jackthehat]

VHG - That anomally is raised every time an issue like this crops up.

Both the Johnson case and this took place in UK where the AoC is 16 and has to be dealt with under the legal-framework we have supporting that.

[Mamyalynne]

I don't think we will ever reach a stage where all Judges reach the same conclusion in similar cases purely because each is presented and judged on the facts - to us two cases may seem almost identical but not to the judiciary.


We certainly won't reach a time when the public is happy with all sentencing either.

[Mamyalynne]

What on earth makes you think Andy will do that , have you read the answers to your thread in Ed's blog??

[andy-hughes]

AOG - Please may I ask you to access the Moderator thread and read all my posts on it.

Thank you.