Should The Referendum Be Postponed Until We Know If Turkey Are To Admitted?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/652142/third-Brits-leave-EU-Europe-Turkey-joins-immigration-human-rights-concerns-Erdogan-press
This is vital information for many, surely we need to know if 77m captain Kirks will be joining, not to mention the problems with migrants it will introduce.

[EDDIE51]

Turkey has already been accepted as a membership candidate Naomi so it is a question of when not ' IF.'

[New Judge]

What difference does Turkey make?

Er… let me think. Turkey has a population of around 77m, 95% of whom are Muslim. All of them will have the right to settle in the UK. Many of them will want to.The first steps towards this are already in train and it seems likely that visa free travel will be available to Turks from July. Among their other demands to help the EU with the migrants crisis (apart from the doubling of the already agreed £3bn grant) is accelerated negotiations on their EU membership.

“…geography is not a criteria.”

Strange. I suggested that in a thread a few week’s ago, implying that the EU would admit any country, regardless of where it was in the world, provided it suited its expansionist plans. I further suggested that being geographically in Europe was not a necessity for membership. I was told "the clue is in the name [EU]" and that I was being stupid.

I think voters should assume that Turkey will join the EU and that it will do so sooner than we think. The migration crisis has seen to that and there is no justification to delay the referendum. However even if that were not so there are plenty of official candidates and others lining up in the wings who we shall say are less than savoury and that such expansion will not be in the UK’s interest. We can look forward to the influence we have (for what it’s worth) in EU forums being further diluted as accommodation will have to be made for nations so very disparate from our own.

[CrapAtCryptics]

I`d say allowing Turkey to join is another good reason why we should leave. There are supposed to be financial standards that applying countries have to meet. With the state of Turkey`s finances there is no way they can possibly reach those standards. If they are admitted just another place to drain funds for the EU and us if we are daft enough to stay in.

[Khandro]

Cross the Bosphorus bridge and you are not in Europe, you are in a small, so-called 'Turkish Europe', you have no European rights or protection. The Bosphorus has been the divide between Europe and Asia since antiquity.

[naomi24]

Khandro, part of Turkey lies within the continent of Europe.

[murraymints]

no ..Turkey in leads to disaster....the UK must stabalise its own economy..not take on any additional compulsory dependants..got to exit IMHO

[naomi24]

Turkey borders Syria, Iraq and Iran. With Turkey in, the EU will border Syria, Iraq and Iran. Not a good idea.

[murraymints]

Naomi..as always a much more considered response..x

[EDDIE51]

CrapAtCyrptics they were falling over themselves to get Greece in and it never has and never will meet the financial standards for membership!

[naomi24]

murraymints, I really can't understand what the powers that be can be thinking. Europe has a problem now with thousands streaming in, so let’s open the door and give free access to millions more. They're potty!

[New Judge]

"Turkey borders Syria, Iraq and Iran. With Turkey in, the EU will border Syria, Iraq and Iran. Not a good idea."

The Euromaniacs have never shyed away from something that was "not a good idea", naomi.

They were told quite forcefully that introducing the Schengen Agreement was not a good idea. They did it nonetheless and the results are now laid bare for all to see. They were told categorically that to launch the euro without fiscal and political union was not a good idea. They pressed ahead regardless and the result was the impoverishment of half of southern Europe.

The fact that something seems to be not a good idea does not prevent the Euromanics continuing their pursuit of chaos, disaster and catastrophe.

[Hopkirk]

Turkey couldn't join until they sort out the Cyprus problem.

[DTCwordfan]

Come on you lot, it must be Sunday as you are being very slow, particularly the Brexit mob.

My view is that the 'In' will have it - and comfortably when the crunch comes, just as north of the border, the silent majority will speak with united tongue.

However, let Turkey in, let the Brexit mob encourage that, the result being that the EU will implode, taking the Schengen agreement and a lot of the ECHR enactments with it, Brexit achieved through the back-door.

[tonyav]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/car-bombing-kills-27-in-central-ankara/ar-AAgJay7?li=BBoPWjQ

[New Judge]

So preferable to achieve it by means of an uncontrolled implosion rather that a controlled dignified exit?

The chaos from a Brexit forecast by those campaigning to stay in must be fairly small beer bay comparison.

[DTCwordfan]

//controlled dignified exit// - just made me splutter in my wine glass.

We have the 5th largest economy in the world and we will dictate the terms of the exit and bring back the Empire - that's long gone as will be the Commonwealth when her Nibs pegs it.

[New Judge]

Certainly a lot more dignified and controlled than the alternative scenario you describe, DT.

[DTCwordfan]

perhaps but a play, and by no means certain that it would ever happen - put the probability together, then it really doesn't effect the arguments to stay - and when coupled with the Cypriot issue and the Greek reservations, it becomes an extreme scenario - that I would agree with you, NJ.

[Ellipsis]

> Should The Referendum Be Postponed Until We Know If Turkey Are To Admitted?

No. That would not be tolerated by those who have wanted a referendum for years. No way would they put up with it being postponed for years to come.

You simply have to vote on the assumption that, one day, Turkey will be allowed in to the EU.

For the Brexiters, there could not be a better time to have this referendum. If they lose, that has to be it for a good while - perhaps another 40 years.

[naomi24]

DTC, //However, let Turkey in, let the Brexit mob encourage that, the result being that the EU will implode, taking the Schengen agreement and a lot of the ECHR enactments with it, Brexit achieved through the back-door.//

That suggestion is flawed. If we go along that route, by the time the 'Brexit' is achieved through the implosion of the EU, the country will have buckled under unsustainable immigration.

This referendum will be our one and only chance to get out while the going is good - and we will be crazy not to grab it.