Britain Will Be Safe From Foreign Criminals After We Leave The Eu

[sp1814]

But...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2016/mar/29/eu-dangerous-criminals-allowed-free-entry-uk-vote-leave-claims

I've always been a bit curious about this claim.

Does anyone know exactly what will be different if we left the EU, with regards to settlement rights???

[sp1814]

Basic question is this - if we left the EU, how are border agency staff going to be empowered to identify foreign criminals?

It's not like they have 'Murderer' or 'Serial Rapist' under the heading 'Profession' in their passports...

[douglas9401]

They'll use current systems and update them as required, going forward.

[retrocop]

The EU does not compel member states to share information on criminals, meaning many are able to travel to the UK unhindered.
Free movement rules gives every EU citizen the right to enter any country in the bloc.
If we left the EU then Britain could negotiate a new deal that does not include free movement of workers without more stringent checks.
These could include criminal record checks for short term visa applications.
That is the theory compliments of the Daily Mail front page.

[sp1814]

douglas9401

???

What form will the updates take?

[retrocop]

In simple terms. We get our own passport again and an EU passport means squat to the UK.Thousands of immigrants who have flooded Germany et al recently are probably using their good fortune as a staging post. Once they attain their German/Swedish EU passport they can swan around any European country they like.
If the UK leaves it means no automatic right to settle or work here just because of a affiliated club membership.

[Old_Geezer]

Doesn't Interpol share info regardless whether a country is inside or outside the EU ? Intelligence updates continuing is to the benefit of all.

[Baldric]

///It's not like they have 'Murderer' or 'Serial Rapist' under the heading 'Profession' in their passports..///

Your Passport must be well out of date if it's got that on it.

[douglas9401]

Updates may take many forms but working closely with European countries and partner agencies, a robust, fit for purpose system of checks and balances can be put in place to ensure the safety of hard working British families going forward.

[sp1814]

douglas9401

That sounds like something from a pamphlet. It doesn't actually say what will be done...they are all intangibles.

[douglas9401]

So, to a layperson that may appear to be the case but on closer inspection, systems put in place by cooperating governments working inCREDibly hard are robust and will stand any probing by foreign criminals going forward.
Hard working Britons, doing the right thing, can sleep soundly in their beds knowing that everything possible is being done to keep them safe from nefarious criminals who wish to damage our way of life.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Britain Will Be Safe From Foreign Criminals After We Leave The Eu ///

What about all those who are already here?

[Marshwarble]

Douglas9401 thanks for affirming that we're going forward. You seem to have mastered elementary physics.

[mikeaol]

From http://infacts.org/brexit-wont-protect-uk-vote-leaves-eu-criminals/ :


Brexit won’t protect UK from Vote Leave’s EU criminals
by Luke Lythgoe | 29.03.2016

Vote Leave say: “EU membership means we have lost control of our borders and have been unable to prevent dangerous individuals from walking into the UK.” To back up their argument, they’ve published a dossier detailing “50 of the EU’s most dangerous criminals who came to the UK”.

But, unlike EU members in the Schengen Area, the UK does have full control of its borders. Officials carry out security-related checks on anyone, including EU nationals, entering the UK.

Under EU law (Art. 27), the UK has the right to refuse admission to any EU citizen on the grounds of “public policy, public health or public security”. Proportionality applies, which means previous criminal convictions do not in themselves constitute grounds for refusal. However, those who “commit serious or persistent crimes” and are seen as a “genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat” can be refused entry to the UK.

The number of EU nationals refused entry to the UK is not made routinely public, but a Freedom of Information request revealed that in 2009 alone 480 EU citizens were denied entry to the UK.

After leaving the EU, the only significant way to make UK border security tighter than it is now would be to introduce pre-travel controls, such as visas, for travellers from other EU countries. But disruptions to business travel and tourism would make this option highly unappealing.


So Brexit wouldn’t give Britain any additional control over its borders, but it could potentially jeopardise the UK’s continued membership of data-sharing programmes. ECRIS, for example, is a database set up in 2012 to exchange criminal records information between member states, intended for use at the request of judges and prosecutors. It is currently being enhanced for further integration, and to include information on non-EU citizens.

The Schengen Information System is a sophisticated alerts system for wanted and missing persons.The system doesn’t guarantee recently released murderers get stopped at the border, but it does increase protection against fugitives.

The priority in Brussels, particularly in the wake of recent terrorist atrocities, is to bolster these and other EU-wide information systems. A post-Brexit Britain would likely still be involved in security cooperation but, as InFacts has previously written, Brexit would remove the UK’s leadership role in setting a European security strategy.

Vote Leave’s parade of criminals begins with 14-year-old Alice Gross’ Latvian murderer Arnis Zalkalns and continues through a series of murderers, rapists and terrorists. The In campaign have dubbed this “scaremongering” and hypocrisy from a group constantly accusing the Remain side of conducting Project Fear.

Proportionally, EU nationals in the UK have roughly the same criminality rate as British natives. According to 2015 prison population statistics there were 3,950 EU nationals in jail in England and Wales, or roughly 5% of the prison population. That was equal to the number of EU nationals as a proportion of the total population of England and Wales.

Edited by Geert Linnebank

[ludwig]

So we'll probably be no safer from foreign criminals if we leave the EU. Still, worth a try though eh?

[retrocop]

This charmer,who received a judicial and correct neck stretch, appeared to be able to swan around the world and enter the UK long before the EU. :-(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guenther_Podola

[EDDIE51]

We will be far worse off if we ever do leave the EU, as at the moment we have the sea as a barrier. If we leave Scotland will vote to leave the UK and join the EU on its own the SNP has already said it intends to have a second vote to leave the UK and rejoin the EU if we vote to leave.
Then England will for the first time in history have a land border with the EU( or more likely 2 land borders as Wales will probably follow Scotland in leaving the UK to join the EU).Once we have a land border then any EU citizen will have the automatic right to travel to an independent Scotland or Wales and just walk back over the border!
Also the French president has already said that if we leave the EU they will cancel the present arrangement for the UK border to be at Calais and it will have to revert to Dover. That means there will be no masses at Calais waiting to try to get over the channel to the UK, as they will be able to travel to the border at Dover and the Channel tunnel exit at Ashford.
We will have to sort them out on our side and the French WILL NOT allow them back! This is not bull sh*** it is what the French President has already threatened. The border is at Calais by joint agreement between the UK and France that agreement can be cancelled by either side! there is already a strong argument in France that they should cancel it anyway!

[Svejk]

You keep saying that, eddie. It's still nonsense. You need to read a different paper, listen to some other opinions. You seem to get some nonsense planted in your noggin(gawd knows from where) and it gets unshakably stuck.