http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-36130437

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36128693

All revealed at 11:00 Tuesday....batten down the hatches...its going to be a bumpy ride.

[Peter Pedant]

// Lessons learned etc and no effect whatsoever on pensions or subsequent career progessions gained since. //

one lesson we have learnt which we dont like much
is that if you keep a lid on it for twenty five years
you can effectively laugh at your accusers ... ( shades of Jimmy S )

[douglas9401]

It happens when a web address is used as a header.
Every time.
As you know.
So wheesht.

[anneasquith]

You're apology is appreciated jack.

[Baldric]

Don't say that to Mikey douglas, he obviously doesn't know that.

[Prudie]

I think most of us know already that people were to blame and have since covered stuff up pretty shamelessly however once this is officially announced then what? Is it the closure people want or some form of retribution?

[ChillDoubt]

Whilst it's right and proper that such tragedies are investigated(a colleague of mine was there that fateful day) I will be glad when it reaches its final conclusion. I always temper the outpouring of grief and action against that of the Heysel Disaster, where nowhere near as much fuss was made and is often overlooked.
Harsh as it may sound, that's just my take on it.

[Mamyalynne]

It is right that this comes to a conclusion , whether it brings solace to some is for each individual to know.

I was very lucky that day, my family members returned shocked and shaken but physically unhurt.

[retrocop]

As a matter of interest. Apart from the young children who tragically died has there been any reports on the blood/alcohol readings taken post mortem of the adults. It has already been established and admitted by the police commander i/c the policing of this match that he was inexperienced at Public Order management.
To use Mikey's time worn expression, Trying to ask inebriated football fans pre kick off to be compliant is like"trying to herd sheep". The Police made errors but having seen many times the behaviour of Chelsea fans at "the shed" many times in the past I don't swallow the Liverpool fans were compliant,paragons of virtue.
Sorry in advance if that offends but sometimes the truth hurts and it so easy to find scape goats.

[Jackdaw33]

I think Mikey's phrase is 'herding cats'. Herding sheep is a doddle in comparison.

[Mamyalynne]

From an article in 2014.....

//Christina Lambert QC, counsel to the new inquest, said earlier that alcohol levels in the victims' blood, which were measured after their deaths on the order of the first coroner and found not to be significant, were "not relevant to the disaster or cause of death". She called on lawyers at the inquest to state whether they intended to suggest that drinking was a contributory cause.//


Source...

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/05/hillsborough-police-chief-fans-drinking-inquest

[Hopkirk]

What is 'unlawful killing'?

[retrocop]

JD
Correct. Cats is the animals oft used by him in this expression.

[anneasquith]

Good post mamy. Hope its notedl.

[DTCwordfan]

What is the decision then - if you have an inside track...? Or are you trying to goad the regulars to spit blood, vitriol and venom? (That's not hard)

For example, Conclusion No 1 - it was Muslim-inspired?

Conclusion No 2 - it was Brussels related, as they had no legislation in place.

[Hypognosis]

@douglas9401

//and no effect whatsoever on pensions //

What workplace error (that you *have*, historically, committed and cannot, retroactively, put right) would you concede justifies the nuking of your entire pension?

Why is this always the favourite sanction of we tut-tutters? What do you suppose a retired officer (with senior rank lifestyle costs) is supposed to live off, after a (prosecution-related) sanction?

Pensions are deferred salary, so you have to extract a penalty in such a way as to not interfere with payments related to the 99.999% of their career which was not connected to the incident in question.

// or subsequent career progessions gained since. //

Tautology aside, you do have a point there. Final salary schemes are rare beasts, these days but promotions do lift the entire value of their pot, even though they may have only achieved their most senior grade for their last handful of years' service. Contributory scheme or not, this kind of late boost is - sort of - unfunded.

[Jackdaw33]

???

[Mamyalynne]

I'm lost now.

[Svejk]

I'm with you, hypo.

[Svejk]

Ah, you must have been confused by dtc's nonsensical answer.

[DTCwordfan]

Pensions, aren't they small hotels in France?