Humiliating Performance By U K I P In The London Mayoral Race

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2016/london

With 13 out of 14 results now in, UKIP can only manage 3.7% of the vote.

[agchristie]

Naomi, yes, just questioning Jim's phrase.

[naomi24]

No problem.

[jim360]

I hope I'm capable of that, at least. And if you observe that Khan does nothing to justify this attempt at whipping up paranoia...?

Personally I'd rather hold someone's actions against them than their presumed beliefs. It was reported a couple of years ago, for example, that some more extreme imams condemned Khan as "not a Muslim" (eg http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279703/Death-threats-UKs-Muslim-MP-voted-gay-marriage.html ). To my mind, that suggests he's probably doing something right.

[naomi24]

Jim, Whose side do you think the people who are trying to warn you are on - but you carry on. I'm going to bed. Night.

[jim360]

But that language -- of "loyalty", and sides -- is precisely the problem. Again, I stress that aside from his being Muslim, which we all knew already, there hasn't been any concrete accusation made against Khan. Nothing more than suggestion and innuendo. I'll accept that you are trying to put my best interests at heart (and not just mine either), but I find the way you are going about it, trying to set up some sort of divide between me and someone I have no connections to, nor am ever likely to. A barrier of distrust for no reason other than his religion. And I'm sorry but that is just not enough.

As and when Sadiq Khan actually does something that justifies ... whatever it is, I'll pay attention. Until then, I can do little about it anyway, so I may as well assume that someone who has no history of acting like a raging fundamentalist determined to destroy the west has no likely future of it either. Call it naive if you like, and maybe it is, but really it's just an extension of standard British principles of presumed innocence, or of not accepting "thought crime" as a thing (and I can't say I'm aware of any reason to accuse Khan of that either). Being Muslim is not in itself a crime, and not in itself a reason to fear, distrust, or even despise someone.

[Svejk]

If we lose the Brexit vote, at least I'll have the pleasure of saying 'Well, we did warn you' for a few years.
Unfortunately, I won't be around to say the same when the appeasers of Islam discover their folly. You, however, might be, jim.

[Svejk]

///Being Muslim is not in itself a crime, and not in itself a reason to fear, distrust, or even despise someone.///

Wanna bet?

[jim360]

Chin up svejk, it might yet happen fast enough for you to enjoy the triumphant smirk.

There is a difference between Islam and Muslims. One is a religion, the other is people.

[Jackdaw33]

That's like saying there is a difference between

[Jackdaw33]

...Christianity and Christians.

[jim360]

Well... I guess, yes.

[Svejk]

Maybe, I'd guesstimate it will take c.50 years for them to have sufficient numbers to move from their current whiney victim status to full on demanding, choppy choppy status. Good luck.

[jim360]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-uk-muslims-must-do-more-to-root-out-cancer-of-extremism-a3118801.html

[Svejk]

The only difference between a moderate Muslim and an extremist is patience.

[jno]

wow, the fear and paranoia really boils over after dark, doesn't it!

[Svejk]

Yeah, I wonder did every other country with a 100% Muslim population suffer from similar fear and paranoia at some stage in the process?

[Jackdaw33]

To return to the OQ, Mikey commented that UKIP had a humiliating performance in London, in contrast to their very creditable performance in Wales, where they won seven seats from a base of nil.

[Svejk]

And they have 2 seats in the London Assembly, jd, compared to 0 last time. (mikey backfires again, ;-))

[jno]

and London officially has a Muslim mayor. Wonderful!

[Gromit]

It is almost as if the political columnists had submitted their 'bad day for Corbyn stories' before the results came in.

In England, Labour lost just 24 councillors on Thursday, the Tories lost 35, leaving Labour with 1,280 and the Conservatives with 753.

Labour won the two by-elections, by huge margins, 62% and 52%.

Labour won back the London Mayor.

In the Welsh Assembly Labour are still the biggest party by a large margin, 1 short of a majority.

Labour did badly in Scotland following the trend of the General Election. They were beaten by an even more socialist party.

So all the 'Labour is doomed' crap written in the past week has turned out to be utter boll0x.