Weasel Your Way Out Of This One May And Camoron

[youngmafbog]

Immigration from the EU was TRIPLE official estimates

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3586466/Statistics-watchdog-blames-short-term-immigration-gulf-NI-numbers-official-figures-EU-arrivals.html#ixzz48TKqhM46

[jim360]

I suppose they'd probably point to the bit that says, "This research shows that many people who register for National Insurance stay in the UK for less than a year." Whether that would be weasel enough for you is less certain.

[Togo]

"This research shows that many people who register for National Insurance stay in the UK for less than a year."

Then disappear into thin air.

[douglas9401]

Wilful gullibility is our biggest threat.

[jim360]

I completely believe you douglas.

[Togo]

//This research shows that many people who register for National Insurance stay in the UK for less than a year, which is the minimum stay for a long-term migrant according to the internationally- recognised definition.//

That is the line without the benefit of 360s edit.

[jim360]

I wasn't intending to deceive by cutting the sentence short. I didn't see that it added anything much to the point. If people (apparently) aren't staying all that long, then the 800,000 figure becomes somewhat misleading.

[Togo]

And this I another. Bed beckons, I have been fishing and in the sun all day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0XZ9qjMil8

[Togo]

Haha wrong thread, which proves my point.

[cassa333]

I may well have a very simplistic view here but..

Other than the odd private boat sailing around the UK shores, why can't we just count the amount of,people that arrive with the amount that leave!

[Hypognosis]

@cassa333

Because a big part of the problem is people traffickers and those who smuggle themselves in trucks. (They could be arriving by container ship, too but I know nothing of dock operations and cannot prove any such route exists).

Another possibility is benefit fraudsters. Someone on AB posted a news story where a flat was used by one 'organiser' who lived there permananently and up to five other claimants - a fixed set of name/NI numbers getting housing cheques etc but, in reality, a succession of people passing through the property, using the address as a base while being part of the organiser's work gang. They could return home without troubling us for an NI number at all!

The only scenario I can think of which would 'consume' NI numbers would be for seasonal workers to be making repeated visits, each, with a new false name every year, or every trip. Other than a desire to escape detection by Interpol and/or their country of origin, I can think of no reason for doing this. It may be a response to some beaurocratic hurdle, like time limits on work visa re-issues (eg max of 'n' times in every 'p' years, say. I plead ignorance on foreign travel & working abroad issues.

Still, it amazes me how much of peculiar human behaviour is merely a response to bureacracy.

Just don't ask any tax haven about their raison d'être. ;-)

[Hypognosis]

I *can* spell bureaucracy. Honest, guv.

#spellcheckwillnotsaveyou

[mikey4444]

I wonder what the figures were the day before last year's General Election ?

[naomi24]

I don't see why they should try to weasel their way out of it. They have no control over immigration from the EU. Daft to try to estimate numbers in the first place.