Heseltine: Boris Johnson 'losing His Judgement' Over Eu

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36317176

Heseltine was doing all this when Boris was in short pants !

[mikey4444]

Boris just shows how desperate the LEAVE camp has become. As Eddie says, he is getting more and more irrational by the hour. He knows that if the vote in a few weeks time is to STay, then his chances for the Tory accession are put on the back burner.

Boris could easily have come down in favour of staying in the EU, but he took the gamble and it might not pay off.

[Jackdaw33]

...on the other hand it might.

[tonyav]

'the biggest stitch up since the Bayeux Tapestry'

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/politics/2016/05/17/eu-deal-is-the-biggest-stitch-up-since-the-bayeux-tapestry-boris-johnson-tells-stafford/

[naomi24]

Mikey, //As Eddie says, he [Boris] is getting more and more irrational by the hour. //

Yesterday Eddie said that leaving Europe would be worse than a nuclear war. Go figure.

[EDDIE51]

naomi, I said a 'collapse' of the EU would be worse than a nuclear war, not leaving Europe. I was referring to a catastrophic collapse as in hyperinflation destroying the economy. Not a 'controlled' dismantling of the EU. I also made it clear that the situation was about as likely as the USA deciding to hand the country back to the Red Indians.

[jourdain2]

I'm not getting desperate. We've sat quietly and kept our powder dry whilst the 'Remainers' have screeched to the rooftops and shot every bolt they have. We now have a month to come in with our p.o.v.. I'm quietly confident that we will make huge inroads and begin to punch our arguments whilst the 'remainers' will sound repetitive and old. :)

[naomi24]

Eddie, //I said a 'collapse' of the EU would be worse than a nuclear war, not leaving Europe. //

I stand corrected. Still pretty dramatic though. If the 'In' camp all think like that I'm not surprised they're so afraid.

[EDDIE51]

I'm totally fed up with the entire argument, can't wait for it to be over.
Both sides (and AB ) are descending into personal insult, misquotation and mudslinging.

[naomi24]

Eddie, I misquoted you and I stood corrected. I've slung no mud.

[jourdain2]

Agreed, EDDIE. It is far from a civilised campaign. I have not descended into mudslinging (don't think so anyway). I think it comes from the way the 'Remain' campaign 'took a flyer' and went so much on the offensive.

[jourdain2]

^^^ GRRRRR...... computers...... It comes from passions being lifetime high.

[Jackdaw33]

Apart from anything else, I think Boris's remark about the Bayeux Tapestry is extremely funny.

[Khandro]

mikey;//all we are getting in this debate, is heat and no light.//
You are good at the former but not on the latter. Nowhere have you justified your assertion that staying would be in the best interests of Britain. I will kick off by giving you 10 reasons to leave;
1. Freedom to make stronger trade deals with other nations.

2. Freedom to spend UK resources presently through EU membership in the UK to the advantage of our citizens.

3. Freedom to control our national borders.

4. Freedom to restore Britain’s special legal system.

5. Freedom to deregulate the EU’s costly mass of laws.

6. Freedom to make major savings for British consumers.

7. Freedom to improve the British economy and generate more jobs.

8. Freedom to regenerate Britain’s fisheries.

9. Freedom to save the NHS from EU threats to undermine it by harmonising healthcare across the EU, and to reduce welfare payments to non-UK EU citizens.

10. Freedom to restore British customs and traditions.



Your call.

[Jackdaw33]

No chance of BA from Mikey, Khandro, but if it were my call you would have it in spades.

[jourdain2]

And mine.

[mikey4444]

Khandro....here a few of my reasons to stay ::

1Jobs....1 in 10 British directly linked to the EU.

[mikey4444]

Sorry...pressed go before I had finished

2...Exports and investment...over 50% of our exports go directly to the EU.

3...Consumer law...British families enjoy lower mobile phone roaming charges, lower credit card fees, cheaper flights and proper compensation when flights are delayed or cancelled.

4...Freedom to work and study abroad

5...Equal pay and non-discrimination....equal pay for men and women is enshrined under EU law.

6...Influence abroad...As 28 democracies, and as the world’s biggest market, we are strong when we work together.

7...Fighting crime....ie The European Arrest Warrant.

You mentioned "Freedom to restore British customs and traditions"

Not sure what you mean by that, and it sounds like meaningless drivel to me but if its cream teas, Morris dancing and warm beer, I can't see we need a Referendum for those.

Here in Wales, we have relied on the EU to pull us out of the miserable and parlous state we were in, after the industrialisation polices of the 80's and 90's. Without the EU, we would still have wall-to-wall *** heaps, poor communications and mass unemployment. Everywhere you go in Wales, you see new roads, and industrial estates, all there because of EU money.

You probably don't agree with any of these reasons, but at least I am shedding light on the situation.

[-Talbot-]

mikey .. . http://www.proeuropa.org.uk/twelevereasons

much easier old lad, much easier.

[-Talbot-]

mikey4444
1Jobs....1 in 10 British directly linked to the EU.



As we import far more from Europe than we export to them ... what do you think the figures are for the reverse?

Jobs... ? in ? EU jobs directly linked to Britain.

[Old_Geezer]

Little of that list couldn't be agreed when outside the EU if the will was there to do so.

Some is even stuff an independent nation should have done for themselves anyway.

And the percentage of trade isn't really a reason as we will still trade, and there is a whole world out there anyway.