Heseltine: Boris Johnson 'losing His Judgement' Over Eu

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36317176

Heseltine was doing all this when Boris was in short pants !

[naomi24]

//Everywhere you go in Wales, you see new roads, and industrial estates, all there because of EU money. //

But Mikey, it's just a proportion of the money we've paid in. The EU aren't giving you anything.

[Togo]

// Everywhere you go in Wales, you see new roads, and industrial estates, all there because of EU money. //

It isn't EU money, it is OUR money. We would have even more money if we were not pouring billions into the corrupt EU coffers.

[-Talbot-]

Looks like mikey has done another runner. (don't be embarrassed about the plagiarism, mikey ... we have all done it)

But google yourself an answer to my post @ 08:16

[Svejk]

Don't confuse him.

[agchristie]

Is there a suggestion that Mikey is like handing money to the EU? i.e no change!

[Togo]

Point 1 mikey, how many of these "workers" are paid lickspittles for the EU propaganda machine. Points 2 to 7, how many of these "benefits" are going to disappear when we vote out. I cant see Aldi or Lidl closing their supermarkets, or BMW refusing to sell us cars. Now trade is a two way thing, if we are threatened with peevish sanctions we have the clout to say, and up yours too Hans.

[andy-hughes]

Old_Geezer - // For sure trying to twist obvious comparisons of different attempts to control Europe to the Holocaust certainly is more of a lost judgement thing for the critics than it is an issue about Boris.//

It precisely this level of embellishment that distorts the truth of what Boris Johnson actually said, and meant.

He said that various figures throughout history, fro Charlemagne, to Napoleon, and on to Hitler, have tried to create as European 'super state' - and that is historical fact.

From there, the BBC said he was likening the EU to Hitler, which is not at all the same thing - but the media has run with that incorrect interpretation of not only words Mr Johnson used, but most importantly, the context in which he used them.

You then come along and tack on The Holocaust to Mr Johnson's view - which he never mentioned.

Agree or disagree with what Mr Johnson says, but let's make sure we are thinking about what he actually said, and not an incorrect interpretation of what he said, or an embroidered and fictional version of what he said.

[Togo]

Strewth andy hughes, I agree with you.

[naomi24]

Me too. I said the same days ago - but spinning appears to be the acceptable order of the day.

[andy-hughes]

Thank you Togo and Naomi.

It has to be said that, wheras years ago the notion of spin was a dark art and sufficiently subtle as to be unnoticed in action, even if not in effect - it has become utterly obvious and blatant.

I was horrified to observe the BBC deliberately distort a statement made by a politician and use it to discredit his view in a debate about an issue of national importance.

Such bias is completely unacceptable, and the BBC should be called out for it.

[Togo]

The thing is ah, some of us have been saying for years that the BBC, with the benefit of compulsory funding by the public, have been misusing the funds to run a subliminal political and propaganda campaign. We were told that we were paranoid. Our oper is one who hangs on every twisted word uttered by them.

[viv41]

You DEFINITELY deserve BA Khandro, pity it's mikey's thread !!

[Svejk]

There's nothing subliminal about it, togo. They don't even bother trying to hide it anymore.