How Safe Are We? 1 In 8 Returning Jihadists Convicted

[agchristie]

Surely, this is a failure at a number of levels? We hear constantly of the numerous attacks foiled by our security services but does this ratio concern you?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/only-one-in-eight-jihadists-returning-to-uk-is-caught-and-convic/

[jno]

it probably should but the story does raise questions. How is that people are known to have faked their own deaths? Is it true that buses and ferries aren't checked? And even if you catch them, does locking them up make any difference at all?

[agchristie]

Jno > And even if you catch them, does locking them up make any difference at all?

Even removing them off the streets is no guarantee. (Naomi's recent thread highlighted the 140 imam's appointed to our prison system spouting their doctrines.)

Sadiq Khan, you can dispel some doubters by getting stuck into this issue!!

[Gromit]

The 400 figure of people returning is an estimate. A guess. As is the figure of people who went off in the first place. There are no actual figures, so any conclusions based on 54 convictions, is therefore suspect. The Daily Telegraph is running a Strengthen Our Borders Campaign, so they are happy to pass off a story full of made up numbers, as fact, to fit in with their agenda.

[david small]

What's your agenda Gromit, head in the sand? I know your reply.....
Facts, not supposition. Let's not assume etc.
Meanwhile the encroachment continues.

[Old_Geezer]

Even if the figures are correct, whilst that's an unfortunate ratio is there any indication that practical measures to improve it exist and are presently unused ? Can't be easy to spot undesirables. If the authorities manage to catch those who start behaving badly once they've snuck back in, that's at least a second level of security.

[agchristie]

Gromit > The Daily Telegraph is running a Strengthen Our Borders Campaign, so they are happy to pass off a story full of made up numbers, as fact,

A worthy campaign. Whatever the figure is, I suspect the ratio is not wide of the mark. We really don't hear that much about successful convictions do we?

That is something that the British public and the media would want to be aware of and broadcast.

[jno]

it's got nothing to do with Sadiq Khan. Is he supposed to monitor every Muslim in and out of Britain because he's one himself? He's mayor of London, not Home Secretary. If there's a problem here (and like Gromit I am very doubtful about the figures), it's Theresa May you need to be addressing.

[THECORBYLOON]

One in eight has been convicted but how many of the four hundred were prosecuted and found to be not guilty?

[THECORBYLOON]

Will Sadiq Khan not be busy enough without dictating to Government what should be happening outwith London?

[naomi24]

//One in eight has been convicted but how many of the four hundred were prosecuted and found to be not guilty? //

I can't access the link, but more to the point how many are escaping prosecution altogether?

[EDDIE51]

What do you suggest we do?
UK citizens are free to leave the country and return without any checks. No records are kept of who leaves the country and who returns.
The only solution I can see is to require everyone to register when they leave the country and when they come back.
Are you prepared to give up your right to travel without having to be checked in and out of the UK? Just for a start it would be logistically impossible, imagine every single person leaving or returning to the UK having to be checked through passport control.

[naomi24]

Checking travellers in and out shouldn’t be too difficult.. They are already registered on computer systems via their tickets. A link-up would be a relatively simple matter. I wouldn’t mind at all.

[Gromit]

They went off to fight a war, which by all accounts, they are losing and suffering heavy casualties. So the fact that not as many are returning than left, is to be expected.
Without knowing how the 400 figures was 'estimated', we should not trust it.

There seems to be an assumption that the Home Office/ Security Services are deliberately being negligent, and not doing their jobs. But why would they do that? Jusging from their response in the article, they are doing everything possible to seek out the returnees. What more can we ask?

[agchristie]

Regarding Sadiq Khan, had plenty to say about radicalisations in our prisons, I would hope he can use his voice and influence in the capital to help seek clarification on the issue of returning jihadis.

[agchristie]

Gromit > Jusging from their response in the article, they are doing everything possible to seek out the returnees. What more can we ask?

You have already cast doubt on the article's figures so how can you state confidently that everything possible is being done to seek out the returnees?

[EDDIE51]

naomi you can just arrive at a ferry or channel tunnel terminal , pay cash and get on the boat/train no checks at all. Not everyone goes by air!

[naomi24]

You're still given a computer generated ticket though.

[viv41]

'They went off to fight a war, which by all accounts, they are losing' Hope to goodness you are right there Gromit ...

[naomi24]

Not sure who the 'all' are who are giving these accounts.

[EDDIE51]

Just checked the Dover ferry web site, you can just turn up and buy a ticket for cash, you just get a booking reference number no ID is required and you can still use the ticket if the original person decides not to travel and gives the ticket to someone else .