Is A Second Referendum Justified?

[sp1814]

If the Remain group wins the referendum by a narrow margin, Nigel Farage says that it would be grounds for a second referendum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

Do you agree, and if so - why?

[sp1814]

By the way, 'a narrow margin' is 52/48 according to Mr Farage.

He said: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

It's made me think - if a second referendum is justified if the Remain campaign wins by two thirds to one third, should the same apply to Brexit?

[dannyk13]

No, you can't keep on having referenda until you get the result you want.One is enough regardless of the narrowness of the result.

[ToraToraTora]

as I and most others said in the ED's question about this most would accept the result. I might not like it and I definitely won't stop protesting about the tyranny of the EU but I will accept it. Will you if it's a narrow brexit?

[ToraToraTora]

"No, you can't keep on having referenda until you get the result you want." - the EU can, ask Ireland!

[sp1814]

TTT

You asked:

Will you if it's a narrow brevet?

Absolutely.

But I would prefer if it were a decisive victory one was or the other.

[mikey4444]

The difficulty with a close result, in favour of STAYING, is that it won't shut the LEAVE camp up, just as the victory in the Scottish Referendum didn't shut the SNP up.

[ToraToraTora]

I'll accept the result but I'll never shut up mikey, I'll never stop pointing out the folly of the EU and what it has done to this great nation. You may as well get used to it.

[mikey4444]

And I will never stop campaigning against a Tory government, and you will have to get used to that as well TTT ( ! )

[THECORBYLOON]

As I said elsewhere, there is already legislation allowing folk in Ulster to hold a referendum every seven years to decide whether to remain in the UK or no. Why can the same not apply to Scots independence and/or the EU?

[mikey4444]

Corby....the sitting Government would have to introduce primary legislation, and turkeys are not normally renowned for voting for Xmas.

[saintpeter48]

Lets just hope that the 'working class' get to the polling booths and stick their X next to the OUT box, it seems to me that the big money boys, banks and businesses want to stay IN, they don't have to deal with the day to day struggle of the working man, the big boys are in it for their own ends and haven't a clue what its like in the 'real world'! Germany have tried for centuries to rule Europe its time again to give them another bloody nose! We survived 100s of years before going in to the common market on a lie 40 years ago and we will survive again without this dreadful institution! Its an OUT from me!

[ToraToraTora]

"And I will never stop campaigning against a Tory government, and you will have to get used to that as well TTT ( ! ) " - why do you find it so difficult to grasp that the government is becoming more and more irrelevant. what I cannot fathom is you hate of the Tories, fair enough but you're quite happy to have a bunch of unaccountable unelected foreigners rip the country out from under you. Would that also apply if Labour were in power? You see, to me the party political argument is secondary to this, as I have said many times I'd vote Labour if I thought they'd get us out of the EU. You seem incapable of grasping the basic reality that the parties are irrelevant.

[mushroom25]

//there is already legislation allowing folk in Ulster to hold a referendum every seven years to decide whether to remain in the UK or no//

whilst the 1998 Northern Ireland Act provides for the calling of a sovereignty referendum, the power to call it rests with the Secretary of State if it appears that a majority would vote to join the Irish Republic. I can find no reference to a "seven year repeat" as you've suggested.

[THECORBYLOON]

MUSHROOM Schedule 1 of the Act says,

"1The Secretary of State may by order direct the holding of a poll for the purposes of section 1 on a date specified in the order.

2Subject to paragraph 3, the Secretary of State shall exercise the power under paragraph 1 if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland.

3The Secretary of State shall not make an order under paragraph 1 earlier than seven years after the holding of a previous poll under this Schedule."

[mikey4444]

TTT...."rip the country out from under you"

This is just the scaremongering that we were talking about on another thread. You might believe that TTT, but I don't.

But perhaps I can put you on the spot. If the STAY vote wins next month, can I take it that you will vote Labour in 2020 ?

[Jackdaw33]

It's a pity Labour didn't win in 1983 when they campaigned to leave. If the left vote had been split between them and the SDP they might well have done and the EU would be history by now.

[Jackdaw33]

^ hadn't

[Togo]

//But perhaps I can put you on the spot. If the STAY vote wins next month, can I take it that you will vote Labour in 2020 ?//

Or UKIP?

[mikey4444]

Togo is right....if UKIP is still around in 2020, perhaps TTT will vote for them.

But will UKIP still be around ? There only stated purpose is to get a referendum on Britain's membership of the EU, and they have now achieved that. They have no other purpose.

If the vote is to STAY, then they will have had their chance and failed.

[Old_Geezer]

It'll be grounds for a new referendum in about 25 + years time.

By that time many of those who could say, "I told you so", will be gone, many idealistic types that were taken by the dream of being all equal EU citizens together and able to go anywhere without forms & checks will be disillusioned and have changed their mind, and there'll be another group of idealists who will insist they are more important than all the other voters as it's their future, no one else's, and they like the idea of being Europeans no matter what the costs.

Farage would do better trying harder to get an overall majority in the Commons and force through salvation. I'm not holding my breath for that.