Hilary Benn Sacked

[Gromit]

For trying to oust Corbyn.
Corbyn faces no confidence vote of Labour MPs.
It would be funny that Labour are imploding if it wasn't at such a serious time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36632539

The present Labour MPs seem incredibly out of touch with voters. Labour voters voted for Brexit in vast numbers particularly in Labour heartlands, the North East, Wales. Yet they nearly all Labour MPs are pro EU. They don't seemed to learned from their annilation in Scotland, and give voters what they want.

Are the Labour Party finished?

[naomi24]

//we have no control or effect on Junkers, or any of the rest of them.//

Haaaaq! No change there then!


Svejk, he should do well as leader. He has the right credentials. He thinks the electorate is mad.

[Old_Geezer]

Since we aren't out yet but "merely" held a referendum I don't see why folk wouldn't continue to vote UKIP. Besides who's to say that they won't evolve to become a more rounded party anyway ?

[mikey4444]

OG...UKIP has done nothing but "evolve" for years, and they still only have one MP. Goldsmith and Kilroy-Silk have been and gone.

[naomi24]

^Someone put a shilling in the meter for goodness sake!

[Old_Geezer]

Ah. I caught the end of a news piece on the car radio yesterday about some ludicrous obviously invented story about an MP saying to ignore the referendum result. Annoyingly I hadn't caught who they were pretending could be that daft. Honestly ? This Lammy guy is really that moronic ? Impossible. I think someone should confess to having a laugh. Or it'll be the end of this unfortunate chap's career.

[Svejk]

I'm going to put a shilling or two on UKIP to win in 2020, given mikey's talent for prediction.

[Svejk]

///This Lammy guy is so moronic?/// OG.

[Gromit]

A General Election would not help us at the present time. We need stability. All this leadership nonsense, on both sides, is unhelpful.

It certainly would be a very bad time for Labour to fight a General Election. Its disconnect to its core votersin Scotland led to it losing the election. It now appears that a disconnect is happening in England and Wales, and that would be enough to really sink them at the polls, possibly fatally.

[Kromovaracun]

And who are you,
The proud lord Ser,
That I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat
Is all the truth I know.

In a coat of gold
Or coat of red
A lion still has claws
And mine are long
And sharp, my lord
As long and sharp as yours.

[naomi24]

Mikey lives in futile hope - regardless of the impact upon the country.

[dannyk13]

Mikey has yet to answer my oost at 07.37

[dannyk13]

post^^

[jim360]

There were plenty of Labour voters turning out in favour of Leave but it can hardly have been a majority, let alone a huge one, given how close the overall vote ended up being.

But this sorry mess is just utterly stupid. I don't like Corbyn, and I don't think his campaign was necessarily as effective as it could have been, but he wasn't the only one who failed to make a decent case for Remaining in the EU.

[mikey4444]

Danny...I just think that things have changed so utterly since May 2015, that we should have another chance to express our views.

But I accept that it is unlikely that we will get another Election, unless one is triggered by events this autumn.

[mikey4444]

Jim...agree with you 100% there. I guess the BREXIT side just shouted louder, and scared people more.

[naomi24]

//I just think that things have changed so utterly since May 2015, that we should have another chance to express our views. //

Will someone please ask Mikey what's changed? He's not talking to me.

[dannyk13]

Mikey, how will an election give a chance to express views? The referendum was a separate thing.

[Svejk]

I wouldn't entirely rule out an early election. Presuming a 'Brexity' government is formed but the Remainers in all parties stymie their every move. We shall see.

[mikey4444]

Danny...I have said all I can....I'm not sure I can add anything new !

[jim360]

Well, for one thing, we no longer have the same Prime Minister -- or, at least, won't do come October. For another I'm not even sure we'll have the same Labour Party in about three months either. And then hasn't UKIP's stock risen? They were shut out of the election a year back and their central policy aim has struck back with a vengeance and then some. But no-one at the moment seems willing to do anything about it apart from destroy each other. Maybe their stock has risen some since being granted only one MP on the back of 2-3 million votes?

Up in Scotland, I don't think it's just the SNP that's grumbling about wanting to leave the UK in and attempt to stay inside the EU...

And finally, while we have voted to leave the EU, that means all sorts of different things. Out of literally everything? Only part way out? Some other subtleties? It could be UKIP's version of out vs. a "soft out", or some such. The public might want to have their say on that.

Materially, loads has changed in the UK parliament in just the last three days, let alone the last year. An early General Election may not be inevitable but it's not totally unreasonable in these circumstances.