Leave Campaign Promises

[Mesnilpat]

Irrespective of how you voted, does anyone share my concerns about the way the Leave campaign has backtracked on pledges regarding immigration and money for the NHS? Nigel Farage described the £350 million for the NHS as a 'mistake'. I am deeply concerned that people have been misled.

[jim360]

I think the basic point is that everything about the massive advert that was basically one of the chief messages of the campaign to Leave was utterly, utterly fraudulent in every respect. Plenty of people were saying this beforehand; only now, by some astonishing coincidence, are people on the Brexit side, some of whom had stuck by it, beginning to own up.

How far does it have to go before it's clear that Brexit was as much of a lie as they accused Remain of being?

[Peter Pedant]

// how is "let's do so and so" a promise? //

yeah - as in 'lets get married'...... yeah how true how true

[Mamyalynne]

Apologies for earlier mistake , the quote I used was 'Jim's' not 'SP's'.

[mikey4444]

Baz...the meaning in the big red poster alongside Boris couldn't be clearer.

[Jackdaw33]

Even if it was misleading, which I don't think it was, it would not change my opinion. The issue for me was sovereignty, not money.

[jim360]

Yes, I expect there are many who would agree with you about what issue was important, JD. All the same, anyone who thought that the NHS would get this money has been lied to. It's important to hold the Leave Campaign to account as far as possible, just as it would have been to hold to account the Remain campaign had they won.

[mikey4444]

Well said Jim !

[Togo]

After decades of downright lies and false promises by the EUSSR acolytes, they are now screaming their "bits" off at a mirror campaign. Ahh bless.

[jackthehat]

Jackdaw - I think it was for a great many people.....the £ figures that were being bandied by both sides were almost a side-issue.
Jim360 - There was great argument from either side about quite which set of figures was correct all through the campaign. If people weren't paying close enough attention then surely that is something neither campaigning side can be held responsible for....

[Postdog]

No. Politicians lie. If no one has learnt that by now, maybe they shouldn't have a vote.

I voted out for my own reasons and listened to neither side. So did my friends.

[jim360]

Was it about the attention people paid, or was it because few trusted the Remain on principle, regardless of what they were saying or not? At times it felt like it could get to the point where Cameron could stand up and say "If we vote to leave then we'll find out the result over the course of Friday morning" and people still wouldn't have believed that. We had people on this site argue passionately that the £350 million figure was correct and they were simply wrong, as so many who led the campaign have acknowledged -- but those people held the advantage of being seen as "outside" the establishment, and so were trusted. How they have abused that trust.

I hope this is the only lie Brexit sold... but we all know it isn't. The fallout from the result on Thursday is set to grow worse, and worse, and worse. How much more angry we will all be as this continues to come out.

[Togo]

You need to get up to Sunderland say, and talk to them in your "Sunday Best" Jim. They will be listening, believe me, they will be listening, and watching now.

[jackthehat]

Jim - Your pessimism and disappointment is leading you towards a 'doom and gloom' scenario.
Hopefully, this frame of mind will be short-lived and you'll be back to your usual chirpy upbeat self in a short while.

[Old_Geezer]

I've yet to note any backtracking. I have noted blatant lies claiming backtracking though.

[Old_Geezer]

Anyone claiming that the leave campaign promised £350M to the NHS believed their own fantasy. They weren't lied to.

[Old_Geezer]

I'm more deeply concerned that fellow citizens with the right to vote can believe to be misled when they failed to understand what they were told.

[bazwillrun]

As usual the same old names are twisting things to suit...im just thinking about a post that was removed earlier and how certain people decided on what the message was and how to interpret it...

and here they are again with their same old hypocritical guff saying its "obvious" what the message on the bus is...but now it suits them

[mikey4444]

Baz...by the way...I forgot to say welcome back after your absence !

[237SJ]

There can be no leave campaign promises because nobody knew what would happen if we left. It`s a leap into the dark.

[jim360]

You might be right, jth, but all the same I wonder how much backtracking is needed before Brexit supporters start to pay attention themselves.