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Still not interested in calling for a rerun but... can we all just agree that anyone who votes for something in future had bloody well better believe in what they are voting for?!
Still not interested in calling for a rerun but... can we all just agree that anyone who votes for something in future had bloody well better believe in what they are voting for?!
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I think you’re being a little unkind, Svejk. Most people who voted knew exactly what they were voting for. It is true that nobody knows for sure what the future holds whether in or out of the EU. But most voters know the general direction the EU is heading and what effect staying or leaving would have on the UK. They can also see for themselves the results of those...
22:24 Tue 28th Jun 2016
I'm neither rich nor ever going to be. And I do care. Why is it so hard to believe that? How pathetic of you svejk to libel anyone who disagrees with you on this so.
I only disagree with the people who voted to Leave and stick by that. Those who've changed their mind after like four days I have nothing but contempt for.
I only disagree with the people who voted to Leave and stick by that. Those who've changed their mind after like four days I have nothing but contempt for.
Certainly agree with your proposition that anyone who votes in future should understand what they are voting for. I certainly did - after many years, experience and much thought.
I am wondering if the voting age should in fact be raised to, say 23. Before you shout me down: by the age of 21 in the past you were likely to be married and understanding the economics of life - if you were female you were probably a mum. (When pregnant aged 26 in 1975 I was an aged primagravida and a very late mum.)
When the voting age was reduced to 18, most people had left school at 16 and were in apprenticeships or jobs - only a small percentage went on to further education. So voters had some experience of life.
Now we regard 18-yr-olds as borderline children.and how many of them work or have any real stake in their country? And we let them vote!
By 23 most, nowadays should have finished further education and been faced with the reality of the world and how to survive. So that is when, imo, they should be allowed to vote. They will then value it.
OK I'll sit back and fold my arms and wait for the flak (actually, I'm about to go to bed). I think I'm right - youngsters are far more immature than we were at the same ages - and I'm back working with kids so doing comparisons. :)
I am wondering if the voting age should in fact be raised to, say 23. Before you shout me down: by the age of 21 in the past you were likely to be married and understanding the economics of life - if you were female you were probably a mum. (When pregnant aged 26 in 1975 I was an aged primagravida and a very late mum.)
When the voting age was reduced to 18, most people had left school at 16 and were in apprenticeships or jobs - only a small percentage went on to further education. So voters had some experience of life.
Now we regard 18-yr-olds as borderline children.and how many of them work or have any real stake in their country? And we let them vote!
By 23 most, nowadays should have finished further education and been faced with the reality of the world and how to survive. So that is when, imo, they should be allowed to vote. They will then value it.
OK I'll sit back and fold my arms and wait for the flak (actually, I'm about to go to bed). I think I'm right - youngsters are far more immature than we were at the same ages - and I'm back working with kids so doing comparisons. :)
I admire your integrity, jim.
One or two on here (whose names I will not mention) have driven me to distraction with ridiculous justifications for a re-run. I won’t go into all the details – I’m sure you’ve seen them.
However, whilst I can almost understand (whilst not agreeing with them) people who voted Remain scratching round for reasons why the vote should be nullified, the stance of Mr McKenzie and others who have “changed their mind” simply befuddles me. I’d just like to know (and this applies to both groups but particularly those who have regrets) just what has changed in the short time since Friday? Absolutely nothing as far as I can see. But perhaps I’m just too dim.
One or two on here (whose names I will not mention) have driven me to distraction with ridiculous justifications for a re-run. I won’t go into all the details – I’m sure you’ve seen them.
However, whilst I can almost understand (whilst not agreeing with them) people who voted Remain scratching round for reasons why the vote should be nullified, the stance of Mr McKenzie and others who have “changed their mind” simply befuddles me. I’d just like to know (and this applies to both groups but particularly those who have regrets) just what has changed in the short time since Friday? Absolutely nothing as far as I can see. But perhaps I’m just too dim.
The 'remainers' fear that leaving brings uncertainty, but this applies equally to remaining, there is a whole raft of proposals which has been kept on hold until after the UK referendum - on the assumption that the outcome would be to remain - the first of which is (was) planned for a meeting this week to facilitate the entry of Turkey to membership, the implications of that alone should be enough for a Brexit vote.
I think you’re being a little unkind, Svejk.
Most people who voted knew exactly what they were voting for. It is true that nobody knows for sure what the future holds whether in or out of the EU. But most voters know the general direction the EU is heading and what effect staying or leaving would have on the UK. They can also see for themselves the results of those policies.
It was for people to decide. Some were happy with the EU, others were not. Nobody’s vote is more or less valid than anybody else’s. It was a straightforward question and the only problem was that both campaigns were guilty of exaggerations, half truths, and creativity. That’s because each side had vested interests and they are politicians. The duty of voters is to decide what is important to them and, if they need guidance, whom they believe. And that’s what they did.
Most people who voted knew exactly what they were voting for. It is true that nobody knows for sure what the future holds whether in or out of the EU. But most voters know the general direction the EU is heading and what effect staying or leaving would have on the UK. They can also see for themselves the results of those policies.
It was for people to decide. Some were happy with the EU, others were not. Nobody’s vote is more or less valid than anybody else’s. It was a straightforward question and the only problem was that both campaigns were guilty of exaggerations, half truths, and creativity. That’s because each side had vested interests and they are politicians. The duty of voters is to decide what is important to them and, if they need guidance, whom they believe. And that’s what they did.
Italy's getting the sniffles.
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The EU's core trade deal is one of the strangest on the planet (and for the nearest few million cubic parsecs, for that matter): -
Access to riches from trading with the other 27 countries, in exchange for a "quota" of refugees, unlimited internal migration, and reams of micro-management of how and where our businnesses are allowed to earn a living (like our fishermen aren't).
If migration is the thing we *really* want to stop then we need to let go of the lucre; stop trying to have our cake and eat it. Cease buying EU goods until we get what we want.
Yes, this is petulant but they are the ones imposing conditions on us. What's the word for that?
Access to riches from trading with the other 27 countries, in exchange for a "quota" of refugees, unlimited internal migration, and reams of micro-management of how and where our businnesses are allowed to earn a living (like our fishermen aren't).
If migration is the thing we *really* want to stop then we need to let go of the lucre; stop trying to have our cake and eat it. Cease buying EU goods until we get what we want.
Yes, this is petulant but they are the ones imposing conditions on us. What's the word for that?
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