Is The Bbc Stirring Up Panic

[gordiescotland1]

Do you think the BBC is whipping up panic post referendum

[fiction-factory]

Maybe people on both sides are in denial

[naomi24]

Gromit, //The same people making this 'suggestion' are now telling us we must join the European Single Market at a cost of er, £350 million a week. //

Who's saying that?

[Old_Geezer]

Whoever these "same people" are, if they are making such a foolish further suggestion then they don't get the whole point.

Ideally we would join the single market and continue with less disturbance for all, but it is a non-starter to pay the same as we did for joining the whole EU; in fact as our joining benefits all it is questionable we should pay anything, but we'll see what is negotiated.

Meanwhile if the EU continues with it's ridiculous demand to have the free movement of people untouchable we won't be joining anyway. We'll trade under WTO guidelines until we have agreed other trade agreements with more reasonable nations.

[murraymints]

tell you what..pay the money into MY bank..I'll find a very good use for it !!!

[Old_Geezer]

But I think this thread has rather drifted away from the BBC stirring up panic.

[murraymints]

right I am going orft..hopefully this thread will be dead in the water by tonight..getting very repetitive and tiresome......play nice now xx

[Khandro]

I find tuning into the Express adds some comfort and balance;
http://www.express.co.uk/

[Ric.ror]

Gordie...would you prefer if the BBC suppressed bad news

It was not bad news for me

[Gromit]

The Leave camp aren't the Government. They are not in the position to make pledges. - then they shouldn't have.

This is just trickster advertising designed to mislead.

[fiction-factory]

Both sides were guilty of misleading. Did we expect anything else? The winner in such referendums/elections always has the problem of being accountable for delivering something close to the expectations of their supporters.

[DTCwordfan]

We'll be paying something and it may well be a lot more - Norway shells out 270 mln and gets little back for that other than the access to the market - and has to take immigration. 350 was cheap as a gross figure and only 0.6% of GDP (thanks to the Blessed Margaret) - just that our economy has grown to such a size and as a result the absolute scale of the money (before rebate, agri support, projects, grants, secondary services and inward investment is taken into account) is large. Other EU countries pay between 1.0 and 1.5% of GDP.

[DTCwordfan]

Hence FF, why I am in favour of a second referendum to ratify the divorce, things costed out and transparent - and perhaps one or two other options for us to consider......should be part of a Conservative election plan.

[fiction-factory]

You may be right but it's just an opinion DTC. For every one person who suggests something similar there are five who will dismiss it as sour grapes. I think we just need to wait and see.

[fiction-factory]

I don't think now is the time to talk about a second referendum. The ideas will be formulated over the next year or so. A general election is the way to decide- each party should set out its preferred model. If the public don't like the proposals of the main parties then maybe UKIP will do well

[Baldric]

A while back we had a General Election, the result of which surprised and upset a lot of people. I don't recall rerunning it 'just to make sure'

[chiaroscuro]

We cannot negotiate a tariff- free trade deal because the EU's committment to freedom of movement is their price for admission to the free market.
A major plank in the leave campaign was to take back control of our borders - it's no use saying that people didn't really believe that. Boston, Lincs has the highest level of eastern European immigration and recorded the highest proportion of leave voters.
The only sensible option is to list the things we will jettison and the things we would like retain, including tariff-free trade, and invite a reply. Germany has by far the greatest trade surplus with the UK so let Mrs M decide what her response will be. The worst case scenario would be to trade with the EU under WTO rules and the UK should make it clear that we would accept this option. After all this country has been through with this referendum I really believe we should shun any compromise deal with the EU.

[DTCwordfan]

Buying time on A50 is a good idea too - it allows the UK to get its ducks in a row and to see if there is a call for referendums in other countries, such as Sweden, Denmark, Neths and even France and Italy. Just the call would put the wobblies under Brussels. For me, the core thing to change is not Freedom of Movement but Freedom of Employment with jobs offered to the locals in any country for x days, the country deciding what x is (and it maybe 0)...then the job is open for EU application.

The other issue that Cameron and May ought to get on with soonest is this massive surplus of non-EU immigration and get into place a workable points system - that is outside any referendum - though the EU as a whole could do with serious border clampdown on a similar points basis.

[fiction-factory]

With a General Election though, Baldric, we get another chance in 5 years to hold the government to account. This referendum was a one-off which may never be reviewed- it's an irreversible decision. We just need to make it work as well as possible

[DTCwordfan]

who is going to pick those Lincolnshire veg in 3 years time, chiaro. I'll take a bet it won't be the Brits - we well know down here and can't even get enough UK applicants to work in hotels, tourist attractions and the catering trade this summer - and forget the veg picking, the only English person you see if the slave-master - oops, farmer

[naomi24]

Gromit, //The Leave camp aren't the Government. They are not in the position to make pledges. - then they shouldn't have.

This is just trickster advertising designed to mislead. //

They didn't make pledges. If the slogan misled you, it says more about you than the poster.