Article 50 Not Meant For Use.

[Togo]

This should tell us just how devious these EUSSR lizards were, and indeed still are.

//A former Italian premier has claimed that Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, which, if triggered, would initiate Britain’s exit from the EU, was designed not for actual employment but as a deterrent - and he should know, he wrote the thing.//

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/article-50-was-never-supposed-to-be-used-says-the-man-who-wrote-it/ar-BBuTgJh?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=spartanntp

[dannyk13]

Eddie,from para 2
///intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall NEGOTIATE and conclude an agreement WITH THAT STATE

[Old_Geezer]

Fair enough Eddie, but it still says, "conclude an agreement with that State", which means they have to talk and agree it with us regardless what offer they decided to put on the "table". It implies 2 stages/tables. One where they decide what their (opening) offer is, and another to try to get agreement with us for it.

[-Talbot-]

They tell us what conditions they will impose on us, NOT we negotiate the terms we require!



Omg ....really?
What have we done?

[Togo]

Or indeed Eddie or jim360, and their "ilk". They are happy to be slaves and insist that therefor everyone must be.

[ToraToraTora]

some one tell me what we are "negotiating"? We get out then we can deal if the EU can get it's head out of it's ar1s long enough. The only thing we have in common with these charlatans is an accident of geography.

[ToraToraTora]

I sense the sour grape fest has not yet abated.

[Old_Geezer]

Told them we are no longer prepared to put up with their impositions, Talbot.

In any case we also have the right to impose restrictions on others too so it's in everyone's best interests to stay friendly and come to amicable agreements.

[jim360]

I can accept that I shouldn't be anywhere near the table either -- but I'm not a slave, either now or before.

Let me just point out that "slaves" don't get the opportunity to leave if they so wish.

[youngmafbog]

Just what can the 'impose' Eddie? What nonsence you talk.

If they dont want to trade then fine, they loose we are free to trade Globally not isolated to the EU and bound by petty regulations.

All we need to do s pull out, put trade tariffs in place (after all our massive EU contribution is a tariff anyway), close the borders and start to live free lives.

Oh, and pull out of the ECHR.

[ToraToraTora]

I would hope that free trade would continue but not at the expense of Schengen style "free movement" so beloved of the EU philes. I don't know if you EU philes ever watch a program known as "the news" but look where all this "free movement" has got us.

[New Judge]

Never mind, Peter. As I've said previously, in ten years time those who fretted over the result will thank those of us who voted to leave for saving them from a future entangled with the ever declining, moribund EU. They will wonder what all the fuss was about (and many will wonder why we left it so long to leave).

[youngmafbog]

I'm not convinced that free trade has any advantages for us with the EU. They export more to us than we export to them (20 odd% of German cars end up in the UK) so they will be the loosers in a trade tariff war.

And remember any EU 'contribution' is a tariff and an unfair one at that if based on your GDP as we have seen for many years.

We hold the cards, if only someone has the balls to use them.

[jim360]

I hope you are right, NJ, although the certainty with which you present that view is more than a little misleading. I'm sure over the long-term things will be fine but there's no way of knowing whether the future we now have is going to be better than, worse than, or the same as a future within the EU. That's more of an inevitable feature of history than specific to this debate, but still... let's wait for those ten years to pass before deciding what we actually will then think about the referendum result.

[EDDIE51]

dannyk13 You refer to paragraph 2.
Read my link to paragraph 4. That is where it tells you how the negotiations you refer to in para 2 are to be arranged , >>>
For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it. A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
How much clearer can it be that the exiting nation does not on negotiate the terms of exit? The terms are decided by a 'qualified majority' of the remaining nations , it's there in black and white

[jno]

that's been around for a while, though the Independenet seems to have only just spotted it.

[Khandro]

Wishful thinking, retrospective lawmaking and highly biassed media reportage.

Brexit means Brexit, what is so hard to understand?

[dannyk13]

Eddie, as I see it quite simply the members of the EU(excluding us) will determine what terms will be offered to us and negotiations on those terms will take place with us.That is my final comment to you.

[EDDIE51]

dannyk13 ^^ That's it exactly 'the members of the EU ,excluding us( the UK.)>>
Determine what terms will be offered to us and negotiations on those will take place with us.
To put it in plain language, they will offer terms ONLY on those parts of the treaty where they are prepared to allow for any negotiation . The parts where they are not prepared to negotiate will not even be put into the 'package' offered . You have just proved what I am trying to tell you.

[bazwillrun]

I find all this guff over A50 highly amusing...its not worth the reams of paper its written on...

If we want out now we can get out now...there is nothing they can do to stop us without causing themselves just as much if not more damage...

they cant "stop" any country leaving except by military force and luckily they havent got their "harmonised and integrated" military.... yet

[dannyk13]

Eddie, from your own post:-
///They tell us what conditions they will impose on us, NOT we negotiate the terms we require///
Now you are saying that there will be negotiations.