Article 50 Not Meant For Use.

[Togo]

This should tell us just how devious these EUSSR lizards were, and indeed still are.

//A former Italian premier has claimed that Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, which, if triggered, would initiate Britain’s exit from the EU, was designed not for actual employment but as a deterrent - and he should know, he wrote the thing.//

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/article-50-was-never-supposed-to-be-used-says-the-man-who-wrote-it/ar-BBuTgJh?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=spartanntp

[dannyk13]

Hoist by his own petard.

[Peter Pedant]

long series of cases to say that you look at the wording to see what a bit of the law means

only recently ( pepper and brown I think ) where it was allowed to look behind at debates to see what an obscure section meant.

but Art 50 .... isnt obscure.

think of a man with toothache who dawdles outside a dentists surgery
he knows what the cures is ( pair of pliers whilst the dentist holds your head in a sidelock ) but may still delay knocking on the door.....

[jim360]

Oh well, better luck next time.

[gulliver1]

eh!

[Old_Geezer]

I had read that it was never meant to be triggered some time back. This article is the first I've read that it was meant to be a deterrent. Clearly a poor one if it was.

Taking the article at face value, the guy seems to have a screw loose. Clearly the exit will happen, clearly any penalising during negotiations on trade/relationship afterwards will be a lose/lose situation, clearly it is not easy to drag negotiations out for long since we can just reach the end of our tether and go. The article seems to suggest he's so desperate to control that other nations that he just doesn't care what problems the EU causes it's members.

[EDDIE51]

How many times have I pointed out that A 50 makes it quite clear what happens.
Once A 50 is triggered the European Council meet WITHOUT the exiting nation, and decide the terms and conditions of the exit.
They tell us what conditions they will impose on us, NOT we negotiate the terms we require!

[Old_Geezer]

As many as you like Eddie. In the real world they have to live with the outcome. So they talk with us anyway. Why do you think we have a negotiating team regarding how the post Brexit relatinship/trade agreements should be ?

[dannyk13]

Article 50 explained here.Exit WILL BE NEGOTIATED,
http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/the-mechanics-of-leaving-the-eu-explaining-article-50/

[Old_Geezer]

...relationship...

[Peter Pedant]

// In the real world they have to live with the outcome.//

actually alot of us wont ( me e.g. )
whereas a lof of people who WILL have to live with the ourcome were not allowed a vote on their future....

[Old_Geezer]

You moving to a different planet ?

[Hypognosis]

Disbarring the departing country from the negotiating table is a logical choice to prevent "dummy" departures, as a negotiation tactic.

UK already has a raft of special concessions and they're not about to let other member countries do the same (we only could because of our clout) because reams of 'special rules' for this country and that country turn the whole thing into an incomprehensible flamingo-up.

[Old_Geezer]

Lots of folk don't get a vote on something. But most things have smaller effects on the rest of the world. It's not really an issue that can be practically changed, not need it be.

[Old_Geezer]

..nor need it be.

Like I %^£"$^%£&$&%£&^$% typed !

[EDDIE51]

dannyk13 Read point 4 of your link!

[Old_Geezer]

I do not see how disbarring a country from a negotiating table prevents "dummy" departures. Once triggered Article 50 means you've crossed the Rubicon and you're going.

[ToraToraTora]

not surprising, why would any ever want to leave the fluffy bunny EU?

Usual BS from Eddie, I see, they will not "Impose" anything we will be out, end of, your beloved EU dictators will not have any control over us, that's the whole idea.

Nothing to discuss in my opinion, stop the DD, shut the borders, end of.

[Togo]

//actually alot of us wont ( me e.g. )
whereas a lof of people who WILL have to live with the ourcome were not allowed a vote on their future....//

Oh dear the world is sooo unfair pp. They make me invest in wind power and other pie in the sky technology, medical research, space travel, etc etc that I have no use for. Disgraceful to make plans for the future, and make people who have no use for it pay for it.

[jim360]

I think we can all be grateful for the fact that TTT and his ilk won't be let anywhere near the negotiating table.

[EDDIE51]

For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it. A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
^ Pretty clear !