Corbyn Would Betray The Eu And Nato

[modeller]

The naivety of Corbyn is unbelievable.
He will not defend a fellow NATO member even if they were attacked.

He will have a little chat with aggressor instead . Just like we did with Htler in 1938 .

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/78235/jeremy-corbyn-refuses-say-he-would-defend-nato

[Gromit]

Are we ready for British troops to die to protect Turkey?

Thought not.

[anotheoldgit]

I do hope that we have moved on from 1938, if we can avoid a third world war, surely we should try the peaceful way first.

[jim360]

I would have thought that "moving on from 1938" meant not trying the Munich Agreement approach.

[dannyk13]

We are talking about a NATO country being attacked, probably after talks have failed.We as a member o NATO are surely bound to support any NATO action.Corbyn would take the path of Chamberlain i 1939 and look how successful that was.

[andy-hughes]

I think people are taking 2 and 2 and making 22.

From how I read it, Mr Corbyn has said that he wants a situation where military action could be avoided, and that is a laudable stance.

He has refused to state that he would use military intervention, but that is not the same as stating that he wouldn't.

It is easy to assume that because someone does not say one thing, they are tacitly saying another - but that does not make it a correct reading of the situation.

[-Talbot-]

He's not too dissimilar to yourself, Andy.

[Gromit]

Are we prpared to die for Albania?
Latvia?
Lithuania?
Bulgaria?
Estonia?

We have very little in common with those countries. It was foolish to admit these countries into NATO in the first place. They have very little to offer, but would expect the British to protect them if the Russians invade.

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //He's not too dissimilar to yourself, Andy. //

If by that you mean he is a principled person who believes in looking for a peaceful solution before heading into a military one, then he, we are similar, and I take that as a compliment.

[cassa333]

And what if that NATO country were the UK. WOuld he want, ask for or expect other NATO nations to come to our defence?

Or would he let them invade and have a 'nice little chat about it' over tea and biscuits?

Any leader that is not prepared and indeed says publicly that they would not use force to secure our or our partners safety is a dangerous liability.

I hope that those with a vote have the gumption and maturity to realise they will never get what they want with him at the helm. All they will get is a lot of shouting and posturing from an old campaigner who doesn't appear to have a clue as to how this country, let alone the world works.

I am not a labour supporter any more (and haven't been since I grew up and realised how restrictive they were) but even I hope, for the sake of UK democracy that he resoundingly given his marching orders.

[jim360]

I don't think there are that many people who would want the same, but that's not really what the question was about, and Corbyn should have known that. As for Gromit's "tin-pot little European countries" post, shame on him for that.

[Jackdaw33]

I think you are confusing NATO with the EU.

[andy-hughes]

cassa333 - I don't think you need have any worries about Mr Corbyn's policies on anything coming within a country mile of being implemented by his being elected to any position of any power whatsoever.

[ludwig]

// All they will get is a lot of shouting and posturing from an old campaigner who doesn't appear to have a clue as to how this country, let alone the world works //

He's exactly that. Someone who's been protesting and opposing stuff from the safety of the moral high ground his whole career, but who'd be absolutely clueless if he had to be the one making the real decisions and running things.
I suspect he knows it and is secretly glad he'll never have to do it.

[andy-hughes]

Ludwig - Can't argue with that assessment.

[cassa333]

Hi Andy H

I don't think even should Corbyn get re-elected as Labour leader will he have any power. He is unelectable so he and the party will forever be shouting and posturing with little or no effect.

I just think without a viable and useful opposition democracy is deminished.

I cannot see how the majority of Labour supports would actually want to have no say in the running of the country. If it is the minority of Labour supporters are on the Corbyn extreme end of the spectrum then, although he may get elected as leader the majority of true Labour supporters will surely just not vote in the general election or vote strategicly a no hope party rather than for the opposition.

Won't that further diminish Labour? For other parties to get more votes than them?

It is the old adage of 'he who shouts loudest gets heard most' that shouting persuades some to join but alienates more.

[Old_Geezer]

The question was about what he would do if a NATO country had been already invaded. Since the UK is a NATO member there is no real choice. We've made a commitment. Opting to evade the direct question was not wise. If he has issues with supporting Turkey he should bring them up as NATO business and ask for either a) Turkey to change so it is acceptable for him to commit forces or b) He starts to withdraw from NATO, or c) He gets NATO to expel Turkey. Although if he is showing a lack of commitment to Turkey maybe they'll leave of their own account.

If someone invades your country then talking is fine as long as it is of the nature, "Get the hell out", and you mobilise military forces in parallel.

It was not a question that can be evaded without consequence, and there was no problem with reaffirming commitment even if one wanted to add detail about diplomatic negotiations too.

His pacifist stance is causing him problems.

[ludwig]

// Ludwig - Can't argue with that assessment. //

Let's put it this way, I think if he ever won an election I think it'd be a re-run of Borises 'Oh cr&p - we won. What do I do now?' scenario.

[Gromit]

Ukraine applied to be a member in 2008 but cancelled two years later.

Otherwise we could be at war with Russia NOW!

[ludwig]

^ or Russia might not have invaded Ukraine. We'll never know.

[Old_Geezer]

Or maybe the reason to would not have occurred.