As France Bans The Burkini, Scotland Just Opened Doors For Muslim Women

[THEMOTLEY1]

http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/24/as-france-bans-the-burkini-scotland-just-opened-doors-for-muslim-women-6088459/

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[anotheoldgit]

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jackthehat

/// I'm suggesting that if these Sharia patrols *need* to be dealt with, the Muslim Officers will deal with them in exactly the same way as Non-Muslim Officers. ///

/// Do you think differently? ///

Thankfully I do, and why the need to enclose the word need in asterisks, are you suggesting that these Sharia patrols do not need to be dealt with?

Given Muslim men's dominance over females, do you really think that these Muslim female police officers will be able to confront these male patrols?

It will be like throwing petrol on a fire.

[jackthehat]

If the sharia patrols are conducting themselves in a law-abiding manner there will be no *need* for anyone to intervene.
If they are not then anyone wearing a Police Officer's uniform should deal with them accordingly.

I doubt that these women will be too intimidated to deal with these men.

[naomi24]

//If the sharia patrols are conducting themselves in a law-abiding manner//

There’s a bit of an oxymoron going on there. Sharia patrols by their very nature harass people they perceive to be behaving in an un-Islamic manner. Harassment, as far as I'm aware, is against the law.

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

/// If the sharia patrols are conducting themselves in a law-abiding manner there will be no *need* for anyone to intervene. ///

So it seems that it is law-abiding for groups of men to patrol the streets, confronting any person who does not conduct themselves according to the Sharia law?

How strange.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - ///// If the sharia patrols are conducting themselves in a law-abiding manner there will be no *need* for anyone to intervene. ///

So it seems that it is law-abiding for groups of men to patrol the streets, confronting any person who does not conduct themselves according to the Sharia law?

How strange. //

No - it is law-abiding for groups of men to patrol the streets, it is not law-abiding of them to confront anyone about anything - and that is when the police would be required to step in.

And I believe that if the assigned officers were Muslim women wearing adjusted uniform, they would deal with it in exactly the same way as any other police officer - apart from the obvious advantage of a potentially shared language and cultural background which could make the situation easier to deal with, rather than more difficult.

[jackthehat]

The circumstances you both outline, above, would result in these men being spoken to by 'any' officer, so I'm not quite sure what point you are making.

[vulcan42]

Is there any difference between sharia patrols and a vigilante group?

[andy-hughes]

vulcan42 - //Is there any difference between sharia patrols and a vigilante group? //

Contrary to those on here would see me as a 'Muslim apologist' - I don't think that there is.

I would not condone any groups of men from any ethnicity 'patrolling', which is a euphemism for looking for trouble.

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

If you still cannot see the implications, then obviously I am wasting my time trying to explain them to you any further.

[agchristie]

Andy >The police encourage Neighbourhood Watch schemes which can involve patrolling the streets.Is that asking for trouble?

[andy-hughes]

agchristie - //Andy >The police encourage Neighbourhood Watch schemes which can involve patrolling the streets.Is that asking for trouble? //

I think you know as well as I do that there is a world of difference between a group of neighbours keeping their eyes on each others' properties, and a group of young men with an agenda that is probably going to lead to confrontation of one sort or another.

[jackthehat]

They are not implications, AOG; they are assumptions....and they are all yours.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //If you still cannot see the implications, then obviously I am wasting my time trying to explain them to you any further. //

Perhaps you could explain them to me then - by answering my post at 13:22?

[agchristie]

Andy - I do,but you stated that 'patrolling' is a euphemism for trouble!

[naomi24]

//Is there any difference between sharia patrols and a vigilante group?//

Very much so. Vigilante groups are generally formed with the intention of maintaining the law of the land. Sharia patrols are formed with the specific purpose of preventing peaceful law-abiding citizens who don’t conform to the principles of Islam from going about their business.

[andy-hughes]

AG - //Andy - I do,but you stated that 'patrolling' is a euphemism for trouble! //

I did - but context is everything.

[Mamyalynne]

I may be missing something here but surely any Officer irrespective of dress will respond to certain situations they meet in the course of their work how they have been trained to respond?

[andy-hughes]

Mamya - //I may be missing something here but surely any Officer irrespective of dress will respond to certain situations they meet in the course of their work how they have been trained to respond? //

No, you are not missing something.

What you are doing is crediting police officers with the integrity and ability to carry out their duties without deference to their ethnicity and culture - which sounds an entirely reasonable position, but one not countenanced by those who see negativity in all things Islam.

[agchristie]

Maybe the training needs to be tinkered with because we already have pockets of no-go zones in London for instance.

I wonder how issues are being tackled behind the scenes rather than confronting it on the streets afterwards?