How Come The 'brexiters' Have Not Mentioned This?

[EDDIE51]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/04/g20-theresa-may-warns-of-tough-times-for-uk-economy-after-brexit
Theresa May had it much tougher than she had imagined at the G20.

[jim360]

Yes, some Remain campaigners were equally bad, as you say. On the other hand I'm not trying to deny that. It's shocking that we have such a high tolerance of this shabby style of campaigning.

With respect to the £350m NHS thing, I'm only "banging on about it" in as far as I can't let OG get away with this idea that the whole story is a Remainers' lie. And anyway, while you are of course correct that Brexiters weren't in a position to make that promise, why did they themselves keep "banging on about it", and make such a big thing of it?

[Togo]

jim a man such as yourself must know that the, releases squillions of quid for say the NHS, was really only an analogy to illustrate the funds we were losing to the largesse scheme that is the EUSSR. As far as I can make out only 3 people in the whole Country keep raking it up.........and they are all on the "bank" Haha.

[Khandro]

The idea that say, Honda would dismantle Swindon and all its related subsidiaries and suppliers, fire all the staff and move to another EU country which may in turn dissolve, in order to re-build the whole enterprise again, and train a workforce (where?) would cost billions and is completely absurd.

[jim360]

Well it certainly was an analogy because everyone in a position to do anything about it (and rather a few others) has distanced themselves from the claim.

[New Judge]

A little calmness is needed.

Essentially nobody knows for sure what the UK’s future outside the EU will look like. Similarly nobody knows for sure what the future would hold had we chosen to remain. Exaggerations, half-truths and lies were bandied about by both sides. As I’ve said before, that’s what politicians do. There are advantages and disadvantages to EU membership. It has been clear for ages that whilst many people were happy to go along with it many (more, as it turns out) were not. The choice for the electorate was clear: do you accept that the advantages are so great that the disadvantages are well worth putting up with. The answer came in the negative.

It is no use the Remainers carping on every time they see the tiniest of indications that all will not be plain sailing. The other day we had Eddie forecasting that Dover would become a vast refugee camp because some washed up French politician suggested that the Jungle should be moved to this side of the channel. Similarly it is no use the Brexiteers gloating over a few weeks of good trading figures or whatever. Brexit has not happened yet and the only movements in the markets are based on sentiment alone. It is also no use the 16m saying that their views are being ignored. To do otherwise would ignore the views of the 17m who outvoted them. That's the problem with democracy - you don't always get what you want. There is also no mileage in suggesting a second referendum saying that things have changed. Nothing has changed (apart from the result having been announced). No second vote would have been considered had the result gone the other way whatever changed.

The country needs to move on. The negotiations over our future relationship with the EU, however successful or otherwise they may be, do not override the fact that the UK is leaving the EU. There can be no half measures, no “Norwegian model” (which is worse than our current situation), no half in half out. We’re out and that’s that. We are never going to foresee every single eventality of leaving, let alone put in place plans to counter all the effects (if indeed they all need countering). We need to get on and do it and address the problems as they arise. That's how things get done. Our departure needs to be swift (in political terms) and decisive to end the uncertainty and in ten year’s time everybody will wonder what all the fuss was about.

[jim360]

As much as I disagree with you on this, NJ, I thought there was some wonderful balance in that post. Here's hoping that your assessment is correct.

[baza]

Well said N.J. ^^^

[New Judge]

Cheers both!

I do like it when we can have a civilised, reasoned debate :-)

[Old_Geezer]

No Brexiters, to my knowledge, ever claimed £350M was going to the NHS; let alone banged on about it. That was all remainers' claims, I suspect because, if one has insufficient support for a cause it is easier to make knowingly erroneous claims and mudsling, and hope it convinces some of the undecided. I'm not getting away with anything; it's a matter of record.

[jim360]

It was on the side of a bus. I don't know how much more prominent you can make it.

[jno]

they said "let's do it" rather than "we'll do it"; but if that wasn't meant to fool voters, why did they say it?

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/5739f7d7130000f004381b1b.jpeg

[-Talbot-]

I'm jolly glad that's how things work https://nickbaines.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/atheist-bus.jpg

No For Funks Sake all you pious peeps accept it

[jim360]

There's a difference between the two, though -- one was an advert placed on the side of a public bus, and the other was a specially-commissioned campaign bus. And anyway they weren't restricted to buses, but posters at speeches and the like.

I can appreciate if you say "it wasn't a promise", but OG seems to have gone even further in implying that Brexiters even talking about it is false -- which is, itself, false.

[jno]

this looks like a promise to me

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/15830/production/_89221188_gisela_quote.gif

[-Talbot-]

The best way to sort this is a link to someone who promised £350 million a week for the NHS

[-Talbot-]

Looks nothing like a promise, jno.

[-Talbot-]

On Friday's Today Programme, on BBC Radio 4, Gisela Stuart, co-chair of Vote Leave, said: "Every week we send £350m to Brussels.
"I'd rather that we control how to spend that money, and if I had that control I would spend it on the NHS."


Context.

[HansUrbancka]

I can't be bothered to read through this thread. UK has decided to leave the EU and should do so as quickly as possible. No need for Article 50 to be implemented, because it is just a means to delay matters to the detriment of the UK. We can make trade deals with whomsoever we like, once we are shot of the EU. The UK has a Commonwealth who are at present is being somewhat ignored in matters.

Hans..

[Old_Geezer]

Surely we have already agreed, after the picture of the bus was linked to and no one could show any such claim, that it was all a remainers' lie ? Nothing more prominent than that which doesn't exist then.