Trump Says Putin 'a Leader Far More Than Our President'

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37303057

Just in case there is anybody left that thinks that Trump would make an wonderful President, here he is heaping praise on Putin !

Putin......the man that ordered the annexation of part of the Ukraine, and is now busy helping his blood-thirsty mate, Assad, with bombing women and children in Syria.

Is Trump really that deluded that he thinks his support Putin will help him into the White House ?

[Khandro]

mikey; //Putin......the man that ordered the annexation of part of the Ukraine,//

Do you actually know anything at all about Ukraine and its history?

[mikey4444]

ichkeria....Trump has shown a breathtakingly ignorant way with words for months now, and this is just the latest instance.

We shouldn't be at all surprised.

[ichkeria]

If Trump's criteria for being a good president include uneven wealth distribution then he's got a role model in the president of Russia, which is assessed to have the highest wealth inequality of any country in the world. And lets face it, both men are good at accumulating vast wealth by dubious means.

[mikey4444]

Khandro...what difference does that make ? Putin ordered the annexation of the Crimea.

[ToraToraTora]

stop whining mikey, trumpageddon is coming.

[ichkeria]

My granny and her chums could have annexed Crimea (tho they might have needed help with the armed take over of the parliament building :-) )
Still, it gave Mr P a good reason to walk with a limp for a few weeks :-)

[mikey4444]

TTT...well, as an AB Trump supporter, you would say that wouldn't you !

[-Talbot-]

Saying he wants to 'Make America Great Again'
isn't in any way racist though is it?

So why would Clinton say it is?

[jim360]

It's odd to read racism into the meaning of "Make America Great Again", but then again it doesn't mean anything at all really.

[ichkeria]

If I was forced to choose, I'd say statements like that from Trump are simply a reflection of his hopeless grasp of reality, rather than a "clever" take on what is needed to win an election. But a few years ago saying such a thing would have been electoral suicide. Trump is all high-octane, macho posturing: he somehow manages to con people that there is a short cut to glory for the "little man" via all his talk of erections of various kinds. Putin goes around beating his bare chest while Obama hides in the basement. Politics, esp US presidential electioneering, was never subtle, but in this age it has really gone loopy. The interesting thing will be how much that sort of thing can really carry him.

[mikey4444]

Talbot....just exactly what does "Make America great again" actually mean ?

Its just a soundbite.

[-Talbot-]

If Bill Clinton says it then yes it is a soundbite but if Trump says it it magically becomes racist.


Bizarre I know but that's how Clinton sees it.

[mikey4444]

I personally can't see anything racist about the soundbite at all, although Trump has been known for making inflammatory racist remarks in the past.

[Gromit]

'Make America Great Again' is a soundbite.

Bill Clinton used it himself during his campaign in 1991.
Apparently if Bill uses it, it is innocent, but if Trump says it, it means they are going to slap the blacks down again like they did in the good old days.

[-Talbot-]

That sounds a tad hypocritical, Gromit.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51ojuOt-TnU

[mikey4444]

When exactly did America stop being great ? And what does being "great" mean ?

[Khandro]

mikey; you obviously do not know much about Crimea/Russian history. It was handed over by Kruschev amid secrecy and in any case, it hardly mattered as Ukraine was part of the USSR Crimea was part of Russia from 1783, when the Tsarist Empire annexed it a decade after defeating Ottoman forces in the Battle of Kozludzha, until 1954, when the Soviet government transferred Crimea from the Russian Soviet Federation of Socialist Republics (RSFSR) to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (UkrSSR). It remained throughout the remaining Soviet-era the important and only route to the naval fleet in the Black Sea. That is why Russia re-claimed what was rightfully theirs.

[-Talbot-]

I wonder what the turn out will be?
We have Two odious untrustworthy candidates it will surely be a very low turn out.

46%?

Any guesses?

[ichkeria]

Hilarious Khandro.
The history itself is, as mikey says, irrelevant, given the criminal nature of the annexation, which involved taking the parliament hostage, and then flouting international law by invading part of a sovereign nation while claiming to be nothing of the sort, then organising an illegal "referendum" held in an atmosphere of fear and intimidation.
Crimea, in fact, if we're talking "Russia" was only ever really Russian from the time of the Crimean war until 1917, and for 9 years from 1945-54. From 1921-45 it was a Soviet republic. So, that makes 73 years part of Russia, and 60 (1954-2014 if you accept Russian rules) Ukraine. So the claim that Krushchev's was an arbitrary one that flew in the face of history is false. Previously it belonged to the Tatars for 400 years. In fact, one can't help noticing the words "annexed by Russia) creeping up twice there. Who says history doesn't repeat itself :-)

[Gromit]

Khandro,

Are you deliberately trying to provoke ichkeria? :-)